Wormholes

I have come across some freaking arab rich carebears recently in our static c4 and all of them have a large manufacturing program running. Yesterday I came across a C4 with 5 carriers just sitting in a POS...in a C4. If you missed that...5 carriers in a C4. They are clearly flexing their swag just to do it.

I looked into mining and gas farming (ugh) and it doesn't look like its THAT profitable compared to running sites in our c4 static. We can't always run sites in our static (we dont have the muscle to roll our static any time we want) but the flip side is we wouldn't be able to always mine/gas either.

Here are my questions from some of you in the know:
1) What is involved to utilize the gas and rocks in our system into something worth my time as someone who prefers to shoot stuff. Do we need to have a full manufacturing chain or is selling the raw materials just as profitable? If we are making T3 production parts, how often and what is needed to take it to market? We are in a C4 static C4 so it's not a direct path.

2) What would it take to make a billion ISK in a month from the rocks/gas/manufacturing?

3) We have a large POS with most of our grid/cpu used for defenses + ship array and 2 component arrays. Would we need an additional POS just for the industrial arm?

Any feedback is very much appreciated. Thanks

That's funny.

Not really. Reacting the gas into Polymers maybe nets a 10-15% profit over the gas itselt. The main benefit would be just in logistics. in the above example, it takes about 30,000m3 of gas and turns it into about 9000m3 of polymers.

Beyond that I really don't know. I've never been able to get into production in any way (feels too much like real work).

Meh,

It's still all relative. That gas is huge. So using the same venture harvesting rate and current jita sell prices you are looking at maybe about 50mil per hour for C540.

I used to live in an "Arab Rich Carebear C3" with 4 carriers in it a year or so ago. We made most our isk from PI, mining ABC and sleeper loot from our own C3 as we had no predictable punch through wormholes. The gas was not very profitable, we mined it mostly to not have to scan it again.

Now in a C5 static C5, we used to raid our static of any C320 and C540 we could find. We had so many alts with ventures that we used to be able to drain them before the sleepers spawned. I heard they fixed that. Anyway, the C320 was worth a lot though it was steadily going down for months after the venture came out. Shortly after we started carebearing our towers up with T3 production in said C5 we were evicted by Unknown alliance... Going forward I am going to pass on the wormhole production and just sell all loot, pi, and gasses.

This. But sadly for the people who do this, whenever most of us see caps, we want to provoke a fight so they will bring the caps out to play, or stront-test the POS if we're bored.


But anyway.. before CCP changed Sleepers in a recent patch, it was possible to harvest gas in multiple sites without Sleeper aggression. C540 clouds fell into this category, so prices fell. C50 clouds are so small, yet C50 is used in such large quantities, that it is always in demand and prices stay high.

Current ISK/hr profitability ranking based on Jita prices is: 320, 50, 540, 72, 28, 32, (the rest).
(Harvesting C320 with Mining Frigate V + T2 Harvesters is around 150m ISK/hr, and C50 is about 50m ISK/hr)

You don't have to, but it's more profitable in some cases than most other activities.

I'd say mine it and react it. The setup on the POS is easy and you can run the reactions on the side. Do your homework and find out what reactions pay the most (google knows). Doing the reactions can only increase the profits and save on M3.

Most sites that produce gases that you can react together don't take long to clear and don't require too much in the way of minerals. Plus, the spawns sometimes can make you a little too.

Conar 07

I make lotsa iskies every month doing PI in a C2. Also PvP loot.

I don't lack.

Eh, I'm gonna disagree with the general consensus with regard to gas.

If you're using a venture, it's the closest thing to "no risk isk" you will get in a wormhole. C50, C32, and C72 show up in the lowest of spawns, and you can make a pretty nice isk/hr.

Yeah, each site doesn't hold much isk, but the amount of isk you get per m3 is pretty insane. So over time, it adds up. I live in a C4 with a static C2, and I have 60K m3 worth of gas in my section, which is worth about 200 mil. For two itty trips to high sec, and as a solo pilot, that's pretty awesome money.

People overlook them because of the low amount of isk in each site, but for the very small time and risk investment, gas harvesting is one of the best things to do IMO. I have a lot of combat skills and can easily solo the sites in my C2 static, but I always jump on the gas first. Easy isk, amazing isk/m3, and barely any risk....in Eve.....in wormhole space....

You can clean out most sites in an hour, you're virtually ungankable by a single ship, and it has an ore hold that can clean entire sites save C32.

If there's one thing you can snipe in WH's without much risk, it's gas.

For anyone who isn't making loads of isk with friends in a C4 or higher, gas is the greatest thing for a solo pilot.

those guys must have had a C5 static. No way are they mining and refining enough to build 5 carriers and running a manufacturing base with out some sort of way to jump stuff in. C4 > c5> LS cyno.

Its also possible if they do have a c5 static that they are in fact doing cap escalations. Use the c4 as a subcaps staging area then bringing in caps from c5 kspace connection. I'd imagine it's a pita but its better than living in a c5 & having to deal with dreads..