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Frigs: AB vs MWD
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Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#1 - 2013-03-06 02:06:09 UTC
o/

Hey I was just curious as to what your guys preferences are when it comes to fitting a prop mod to your frigs. I've gotten to used to using an MWD that that's usually my default propulsion. However in lowsec abs are much more common and frigs that fit these can easily keep range over frigs without one, assuming your not going for a nano fit.

What are your guys thoughts on this? I the extra range dictation worth the increased vulnerability to camps and kiting fits?
Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#2 - 2013-03-06 02:14:05 UTC
I suppose this should technically be in the ships and modules section hit I suppose it still kind of applies here :D.
Iggys
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#3 - 2013-03-06 02:36:53 UTC
It entirely depends on the type of fights you want to be engaged in. If you want to be a kite frigate then you obviously need a MWD. Plan on brawling? Then an AB is a wise choice, unless your brawler needs to catch a kiting ship.

Basically fit for what you intend to do, just remember to choose your fights wisely.
Jasmine Shepard
Relentless Destruction
Immediate Destruction
#4 - 2013-03-06 02:47:41 UTC
Iggys wrote:
It entirely depends on the type of fights you want to be engaged in. If you want to be a kite frigate then you obviously need a MWD. Plan on brawling? Then an AB is a wise choice, unless your brawler needs to catch a kiting ship.

Basically fit for what you intend to do, just remember to choose your fights wisely.


Let me narrow the question a bit. MWD vs AB Ina brawling fit. Even more specifically, lets use the enyo as an example. If you fit an MWD you can catch most kiting frigs however you might run into trouble against some faster t1 frigs that fit AB.
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#5 - 2013-03-06 04:04:56 UTC
Jasmine Shepard wrote:
Iggys wrote:
It entirely depends on the type of fights you want to be engaged in. If you want to be a kite frigate then you obviously need a MWD. Plan on brawling? Then an AB is a wise choice, unless your brawler needs to catch a kiting ship.

Basically fit for what you intend to do, just remember to choose your fights wisely.


Let me narrow the question a bit. MWD vs AB Ina brawling fit. Even more specifically, lets use the enyo as an example. If you fit an MWD you can catch most kiting frigs however you might run into trouble against some faster t1 frigs that fit AB.


This pretty much answers your own question.


For me I normally fit a mwd to 2 mid slot frigs, (punisher, retribution etc) as these have no range dictation anyways and the mwd gets you more fights....

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-06 06:39:11 UTC
Ships that brawl vs kite are fairly obvious and you should know which you're up against before locking the other guy.

Brawlers almost always fit a scram, which shuts down your MWD, thus making that mid slot a waste. So for my own brawlers, I almost always favor an AB. Also- it's very hard to actually maintain MWD speed at really tight orbits, so you end up pulsing it at most. (note that in Null Sec, the trend is MWD to escape bubbles more than for offense)

Most brawlers will also fit a web since you're already in range for it with a scram, so I find myself just perma-running a prop mod when fighting in close- which again favors the AB with it's lower cap pull. Especially if you throw in an active tank.

Lastly, I try to keep a low sig radius on frigs so the AB is again my go to.

Obviously for kiting, only an MWD will do. Even against slower ships, you may need to 'herd' it around while whittling down it's defenses. And most anything large will be throwing legions of drones in your face that eventually will catch up to you.

Manual piloting becomes critical with MWD and kiting in general. That, IMO, is more critical than the prop mod choice. So many times I've gotten away from a bad situation (complete blunder on my part) because someone with an Inty and heat to their MWD simply blew right out of warp jamming range, making my frantic spamming of the WARP TO ANYWHERE BUT F***ING HERE button actually effective at saving my hide.

AB is more forgiving, but a fat armor tanked Punisher with an AB may just watch as 'slower' ships like Cruisers simply walk away from your nefarious advances and warp to safety, laughter still echoing in local.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#7 - 2013-03-06 10:59:04 UTC
AB makes you more vulnerable to (well flown) kiting ships.
With MWD it is much easier to brake the orbit of a kiter and thus catch him.

However, once in scram range AB gives you much more range control over the enemy than MWD since if the other is also a brawler he will shut down your MWD.

So if you want to fit for both cases then just go with both: AB + MWD.
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#8 - 2013-03-06 11:02:12 UTC
AB.. All the way. There are very few reasons to use MWD on a frig since the buff.

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Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2013-03-06 11:26:23 UTC
If you can project damage to the edge of scram range or have 3 slots for full tackle (scram/web) MWD is great. The problem with MWD brawlers is without full tackle you run the risk of being scram range kited. But if you can project damage to the edge of scram with rockets, lasers, or range bonused AC's/hybrids then that's less of an issues. AB is wonderful for constantly having range control. So as far as AB vs MWD it depends very much on you fit and fighting style.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-03-06 11:40:14 UTC
MWD if youre aggressive, AB if youre defensive.
Purely because you'll catch a lot more stuff with a mwd.

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Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#11 - 2013-03-06 15:02:28 UTC
Every situation is different


Just dual prop it like a bossBig smile

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#12 - 2013-03-06 21:57:38 UTC
Dual prop if you can. Use the MWD to close range, AB and scram to keep the target in range and mitigate damage.

How did you Veterans start?
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-08 11:23:43 UTC
Jasmine Shepard wrote:
o/

Hey I was just curious as to what your guys preferences are when it comes to fitting a prop mod to your frigs. I've gotten to used to using an MWD that that's usually my default propulsion. However in lowsec abs are much more common and frigs that fit these can easily keep range over frigs without one, assuming your not going for a nano fit.

What are your guys thoughts on this? I the extra range dictation worth the increased vulnerability to camps and kiting fits?

MWD for AF and ceptor tacklers. AB for soloing. Dual prop for T1 tacklers.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#14 - 2013-03-08 12:18:43 UTC
The correct answer nowadays seems to be MWD, Scram, Web, Alt in Loki with Skirmish links.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
#15 - 2013-03-08 17:10:52 UTC
feihcsiM wrote:
The correct answer nowadays seems to be MWD, Scram, Web, Alt in Loki with Skirmish links.

Kiting from 14k with a web and scram is quite popular today.

Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought.