EVE General Discussion

Just a bit of napkin spreadsheeting i was fiddling around with last night while i was at a loose end.
(hence, prices may be slightly off due to the nature of a player driven economy)

i was just looking at the small grav site in sov null (the one that requires level 1 industry index).
if you take the total m3 of the grav site, 8,009,300 m3
and the total isk value which is roughly 1,103,638,885 isk
that works out at roughly 137.78 isk per m3.

to put that in perspective, that's less than omber at 163.47 isk/m3, which is the third worst ore in the game.
this is becaue over 50% of the small grav site is spod.

just to illustrate a point, you have to mine in the system you want to increase the industry index for. hence, to have access to potentially more lucrative grav sites you're, in essence, 'forced' to mine at a lower rate of isk/hour than high security space, even if you only cherry picked the WORST ore. how can any one consider that an acceptable situation?

at current, spod provides 700 trit, 140 pyerite, and no mexallon per refined batch of 250 units (4000 m3) [although it does contain some megacyte]
again for perspective, 4000m3 of trit yields 120,120 of trit, truncated.

if we were to add, say 30k trit, 15k pyerite, and 7.5k mexallon to 4000m3 of spod the isk/m3 of a small grav site becomes 247.49 isk/m3 which is 1 isk/m3 below jaspet and about 20 isk/m3 above scordite, the current high sec ore of choice.

however we must remember we can't just look at small grav sites in isolation, except the other sites have mercoxit in them which obviously throws a spanner in the works so i'll have to expand my spreadsheet to deal with that. i'll get around to that eventually.

also my sources were

contents of the grav sites
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/Bloodtear_Industy_Index_Report_v3.pdf
mineral prices (7/3/13 (that's the 7th of march for you americans))
http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore

there, that's data, that is widely available to anyone willing to look for it. enjoy.

I have lived in there too including WH space and you can check my recent post history to find out how I keep calling people out about how they keep conveniently forgetting low sec and NPC null.

When i pay 15 bucks a month to play Somalia I'll worry about Somalia.

Also, a Somalia MMO would rock.

EDIT: By the way, what you just did is called the "Gallon of something else" fallacy.

Once on a TV show, a guy said "yea gas prices are going up, but gas is still cheaper than a Gallon of milk".

To which the lady on the show replied "when I need a gallon of milk to get to work, I'll worry about milk".

Somalia don't need hottubes, null sec does need industry capabilities.

I still say the key metrics are players in space and players in system (player-hours/day spent in each region).

All mining volume tells us is that the few people who are mining in nullsec are quite organized and using optimal fleets to get in, get the goods and get out again. Highsec players use optimal mining fleets often enough that the word "never" seems appropriate.

Which, of course, explains the obsession with it ;)

Industry depends on markets.
Markets are agglomerations of people.
Nullsec sovereignty rules ensure that large groups of people won't spontaneously form anywhere in nullsec.

Therefore: there will be no nullsec "market hub" worth the name anywhere in sovereign nullsec.
Therefore: enhanced industrial capability in nullsec would lie fallow at best, no matter how good it was relative to the other regions.

Conclusion: I have been trolled. 10/10 well done.

:effort:

Yes when I go buy apples I know there might be no oranges in store.

For some reason, some players went to an apples market and are surprised they don't find oranges.

Not being educated in another area doesn’t make that persons argument less valid. There are lots of things many of us are ignorant about in game as well as real life.

what does it tell you? that there is 0 reason for a miner to go to null sec, as i stated originally.

although, me and malcanis did have a bet on that you'd casually ignore all of the evidence since it doesn't support your point. we were right on the money. i can't speak for malcanis but i'm having a bit of a giggle right now.

The biggest advantages to null living for a miner are:
1) the rorqual boosts that are significantly better than orca. Can't build or move a rorq into high.
2) Rocks that last 100+ cycles rather than 1-3 cycles means WAY less loss from partial cycles.
3) The really big mineral drains are caps and up. In null, you can mine, reprocess and build, all with minimal time hauling, and no high to low jump choke points.


What I recall from my time in null years ago was that trit was always in short supply. Got plenty of other minerals with no trouble, but the trit was a major bottleneck and had to be imported.

I'd have no issue with making the high sec rocks be only base, low be the 2nd tier (concentracter) and produce 2x the minerals of low, then have null/wh have the 3rd tier (dense) and produce 4x high version. This would help alleviate the trit bottleneck to null production. I doubt the null veld would crush high sec prices too much since the rocks are still in limited quantity in clusters, and mining belts in all but the few safest systems can be considered unwise.

I've removed some more trolling from this thread.