Intergalactic Summit

Thank you for bringing this proposal into the discussion at hand. I had heard Ms. Oniseki mention her proposal briefly in realtime discussions in The Summit, but had not seen the proposals enumerated in specific detail.

Generally, I am supportive of this proposal, however I do have several objections that relate to the passages I quoted above. First, any Caldari security force, particularly one subject to the authority of the Chief Executive Panel currently superseded by Executor Tibus Heth is problematic. At the very least, conflict between Federation Navy forces in Luminaire at the edges of Caldari Jurisdiction would be possible, and could escalate to more serious conflict. I believe that a neutral arbiter such as CONCORD would be much more conducive to a lasting peace.

Second, as a Gallente Citizen who spent a number of my formative years growing up on Luminaire VII I find the idea of essentially forcing those Gallente communities that remain to choose between leaving their homes or being left to their dubious fate as State Citizens extremely distasteful. I see no reason that a satisfactory settlement would be unable to provide for the Gallente population to retain their homes if they wish to stay, and the maintenance of their rights as Gallente Citizens with self government in agreement with the formal authority of the Caldari State.

I find myself puzzled at your earlier "mudslinging" directed at what I have advocated for, when what you propose grants far more Caldari influence within Luminaire, and has far less consideration for our Gallente bretheren.

The Federation once bowed to the wishes of the State under the threat of violence, and it didn't work out well for us at all. You can be sure we won't make the same mistake twice.

This perhaps is where we differ. I have very little issue with war itself so long as it is in the interests of the Caldari State. The invasion of the Federation served those interests insofar as returning Caldari Prime to its sovereign owner. I do not find the current state of affairs intolerable in the least, my only current concerns are that there is sufficient focus and unity to effectively prosecute the State's claims.

It certainly isn't my place to question those above myself unnecessarily, so long as the current war, its prosecution and successful resolution is made possible.



It certainly concerns me not a jot in sending Federalists back to their homes in body bags if they believe continuation of conflict is not a mistake.

I have been kindly reminded by a friend, that screaming accomplishes nothing. I ask your pardon for that. Perhaps I am as blind to your reality as you are to mine.

Delusional perhaps not ,visionary most likely.

Let me start by saying I'm completely apolitical. I don't have an agenda to push. I'm also no political scientist, historian or diplomat so take this for what you think it's worth. But I think relocating or expatriating the Federal citizens on Caldari Prime will only lead to more trouble. Those citizens held hostage is what keeps the Federation from pushing an attack. Without the threat of retaliation the State loses their ace in the hole. It seems to me that the best hope for peace is a solution that: 1 recognizes the legality of Caldari secession and the sovereignty of the State, the unchallanged control of Caldari Prime to the State, and a Federal guarantee of access to Caldari Prime from Caldari space. 2 recompensates the Federal citizens who wish to leave Caldari Prime or help those that want to stay to assimilate into Caldari culture, as well as recompensation of legitimate Federal property left. And 3 removes the overt military threat the Federation and State are to each other thus allowing the system to be shared.

In regards to number 3, maybe the State ending its military alliance with the Amarr would be something the Federation would accept as a term? I think that if the Federation didn't have to worry itself with an armed belligerent enclave in its space tensions would cool. Not sure if that is possible or if the idea isn't on the table. I admittedly don't know much about Amarr-Caldari relations beyond the "you hate the guys I hate" connection.

Our respective personal experiences may be skewed by the circumstance that our combat records reflect fairly high kill / loss efficiency. In my case I credit this mostly to being part of an extremely competent military organization, and from what I've seen that's the case for your organization as well. Needless to say, that level of competence is not consistent among either of our militias. We are both on the winning side of the win / loss efficiency scale, which means there are others out there on the losing side of that scale. Pilot Ixiris is contending that most of those on that losing side are in the State Protectorate.

I know in several recent State Protectorate offensives that the FDU aligned organizations were inflicting far heavier losses due to savvy attrition tactics. The Protectorate has marked advantages in the breadth of its operations to capture Federation military complexes compared to FDU operations. When it comes to battles fought amongst capsuleers, however, the story is different.

I kill a lot more Caldari vessels than I lose to them, and the Federation consistently ranks higher for killed ships on the vast majority of days.

I'm not willing to focus all the blame for the lack of a new peace on Tibus Heth - but I will agree that it is criminal that the war hasn't been brought to a conclusion yet. It's clear that a new status quo has been reached - at the very least that should be grounds for a cease fire.

I would say, again, that even the most hardline Caldari Nationalists do not urge the destruction of the Federation - even were such a goal possible. All we have ever wanted is Caldari Prime and Black Rise.

Seriously people, if you are going to hold a ****-measuring competition using space-born warships and their effective K/D ratio as a metric, you must have started off with very cruel handicaps indeed.

Can we progress beyond this bickering and get back to the topic at hand?