Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I feel that if dueling was made fair (no cheating) that everyone would benefit.
Maybe with a scoreboard to keep track of winners.
The losers can keep track of themselves.

I do not duel because i am afraid that he has an unfair advantage.
Otherwise, why would he be asking me to duel.

I think that a lot of people would enjoy guaranteed fair fights.
Although i suspect, that once the novelty wears off the player would be more likely to take up PVP instead of mining.
This would promote higher retention of new players in the game.

I feel that maybe having a way to scan your opponent to how he has equipped his ship and knowing that what you see is all that he can bring into the fight. No outside help allowed. Maybe CCP could provide a tool that would make that easy.

I think a lot more would be doing PVP if there was a better entry way in.
Trust me, getting blown up and losing isk when you are out manned and out gunned is not anyone's idea of fun and does not teach the fun side of PVP . But to make me think that at least I had a chance would be a lot of fun and likely i would take the risk.

What you want is going to be arriving some day soon to a station (most likely a trade hub) near you.

It is called a video game - what you will need to do is, while using your in-station avatar, walk out of your captain's quarters and down the hall to your local 'The Duelist'.. drop an ISK in the frigate simulator machine and climb in to pilot an evenly matched fairfight (tm).

Granted it wont do anything for your bragging rights and might adversely affect your self esteem, but you wont wind up with a fit of ragequit and go to bed crying in your pillow.

And what do you learn by getting blown up repeatedly? That there's neut rr in empires?

Winning your fears will result in better quality of life.

All losses should be affordable if you are flying something that you can't afford to lose dock up immediately and fly something else. Never take it out of the hanger again, unless of course you can afford to replace it. Eve is different to other mmo's in that loss hurts, but that's ok. If it isnt painful it's not loss.

All forms of combat teach you something so give it a try and dive in.

Yes. That's where the "fun" comes from... the risk of losing all your hard earned ISK because you didn't stack the odds in your favor.


Good. So do something to put the odds more in your favor.


How so? EVE has never centered on "fairness" in any arbitrary, mechanical way. It just gives everyone the same tools and abilities and says, "you can all use and do the same things... that's fair."

Also... "instancing" is very bad and anathema to EVE. Everyone should have the chance to affect everyone else for better or worse.

1. No
2. We have killboard, make one dedicated for dueling, thats possible ?

You guys have got it all wrong. My mains have been in the game for about 1 1/2 years each. I am not isk poor and I happen to like PVP.
You seem to think that i am adverse to risk. That is not true. But i am adverse to entering a fight that i don't feel that i can win.

It seems that a lot of you are attacking me and making suggestions on how i can play the game your way.
I know how to play the game your way. I do not need any suggestions.

What I want is for more people to try EVE and find a reason to stay.
The suggestions that I am receiving are not even close to being useful.

Everyone seems to jump to the conclusion that I want to have safe dueling for my own purposes.

Get real, my mains roam and hunt in cloaky lokis. None of my fights are what anyone would call fair.
I want more victims. I want more players in the game.
And I think that safe dueling would be a way to get more players to stay in the game and want to do low sec and null PVP.

Risk involves the possibility of losing. If you don't like that idea, then you are "risk adverse." Sorry.


Nnnnnooooooooo... we are attacking your idea of "fairness." In our eyes, "fair" is where everyone has the same access to the same tools and tactics that everyone else does. And we like it this way because it balances itself out over time... as opposed to introducing arbitrary mechanics that enforce what you can and cannot do with this or that situation... which have to be tinkered and modified each time someone finds a way around them.


Uh huh. What did you say in the OP again?




It won't.

Simply put... having an "instanced" area that "enforces fairness" will cripple open world PvP.

After all... why go out on a "wild PvP roam" where anything could happen when you can get your PvP rocks off in an arena where you don't have to look over your shoulder? Which is easier to get into? Which can you get fights out of faster?

It's the sheer convenience of an arena that would kill open world PvP... which depends heavily on there not being options such as this.

Does anyone have a better suggestion for how to increase new player retention?

If you try to force players to do anything, they will leave the game.