Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Also a very valid point. AFK Cloaking has zero risk, zero reward, zero anythings. The moment you say "a ha! But he can decloak and shoot me! Or light a cyno!" then you're not talking about afk cloaking. You're talking about cloaking in general, in in such instances there is 'reward' (killing a ship or bringing in a fleet), but also a big risk (you become vulnerable yourself - extremely so considering the weak capabilities of ships which can cloak)

They think a T1 frigate can summon fleets in there, thy mistake cyno, cover cyno, bridges, cloacks, probes....

They die and do not realize what happened: they wake up dazed in their medical clone and the only thing they remember is some unusual neutral player in local in the hours before the event. So, since they die, must be soemething wrong, unbalanced and unfair (deing is always "unfair" of course). And problem must be related to that weird presence in local.

If you browsethe forum for similar thread there're some where this missunderstanding is clear. For instance:

- there's a thread where is obvious as the poster clearly don't get the difference between probes and d-scan, and seems to think people use probes to catch them ratting in belt.

- and another thread where someone ask to CCP to flag blue their own icon in local, cause they get scared "omg a neutral!" and only later the realize "oooh it's not a neutral it's me".

Well, good luck with the thread here mate. My post got completely derailed by these mutlibox camping tools that derail threads with the constant drone of whining about how its balanced because of 0 interaction -- oh wait, unless its on the 'local' channel. F'n nitwits that can't make their own thread and get pounded themselves, since the problem isn't Local, its these idiots that camp systems or whole damn constellations with their 4+ multibox toon accounts. My post was about how broken I thought it was when I got the skills trained up on my alt and saw just how absolutely easy it was to utterly shut down a system, or 3, despite camps, people actively looking for me, etc.

These people will continuously derail any thread that addresses the obviously broken cloaking system. And yeah, you nailed it on the heads when you said 0 risk.

And as for the search function... meh. Doesn't really matter since most of the threads you'll find (mine included) are completely sidetracked by people whining about local (and I agree with the guy above "GO TO WH SPACE"), and the poster of each thread yelling at these idiots to make their own thread specifically about 'no local'.

I've gone as far as ignoring most of the people that post about no local. I got tired of yelling at em.

This.

If you have an issue with cynos, then make a thread about it. It's a completely separate mechanic from cloaking.

There is the error in your assumptions. You state that you're a highsec vested player who occasionally goes to nullsec/wh space. Therefore you have no interests in nullsec, other than as a road traveled. You're not taking into account that there are people who live in the space that you're passing through. There are people there that mine, that rat, that manufacture, etc. These people are the ones affected, not the homeless highsec guys that can dock anywhere, don't have to worry much if any about cynos, or bombs, or other day-to-day things that a nullsec player/corp/alliance has to deal with. For a system to be profitable for non-goo uber rich guys, is for them to actively build up the system by ratting and mining.

The biggest issue that people are talking about when they suggest ideas about how to fix the broken cloaking system, is that there is next to no risk involved with cloaky ships. I've yet to lose even one bomber or candle lighter to a gate-camp that wasn't so big that they covered all of the areas so much that I just didn't have room to cloak. Even near-instapoints can't stop a cloaky ship if the pilot has at least two brain cells (one to hit align/warp, the other to hit cloak). Once in system, you can do whatever. Scan down miners or ratters, figure out what they're up to and make a strategy, and depending on risk/reward, drop them or light a cyno, then when they're in their cloaky-killer, stay cloaked, and don't faildrop your friends onto a fight they won't win without too much loss.

I honestly believe that these people that whine are cloaky guys that like their nice sweet easy life. I actually like some competition and risk. It keeps my blood flowing. That is why I came up with the idea I had with probes specifically designed to scan cloaked ships while not making them so bad they would ruin cloaking altogether. After all, i'm one of the people that flys cloaked ships, and lights cynos -- so I don't want to ruin my own ships.

Nice rant bro. You can attempt to demonise us all you want and cry that your thread was "derailed" but that's just silly. You brought up a certain issue, we discussed the direct cause and how to possibly work things out. And you threw a hissy fit because you refused to acknowledge that local is the actual issue. How many of us wormhole dwellers do you see crying about cloakies, afk or otherwise? Zero. Take a wild guess why that is.

Ahhh, the soft and delicate underbelly that your entire argument relies on.

Allow me to point out it's flaws, and consequently why it cannot support any reasoning that relies upon it.

Cloaking has already been broken for some time. It is balanced, however.

Sound like a contradiction? Then you also assume balance implies functionality, which it does not.

Cloaking is broken by local reporting it, in an absolutely reliable manner. This is broken.

It is however, balanced by:

You absolutely cannot locate a cloaked vessel, unless they let you, or make a mistake. This is also broken.

Since both sides are countering each other, it is in balance.

Sadly, this leaves cloaking as a meta gaming tool. Many people enjoy this play, so to them there is no problem at all.

This thread has NOTHING to do with "local". Here is a simplified explanation why NOT:

It has everything to do with the fact that a player can remain cloaked in a system with 1) zero client interaction (zero effort), 2a) present a cyno threat, 2b) disrupt system operations (big reward), and 3) risk nothing to do it.

None of those three points have anything to do with local. 2a and 2b are just as legitimate regardless of local, or of ignorance (no local). WHs don't have cynos (2a doesn't even apply) OR SUPERS, so wh space can't really even be compared to known space.

PS: There are plenty of ways to catch ratters/miners in null sec without cloaks. There is a really cool ship class called the interdictor. Bubbles do not need cloaks or local to be effective. You'll have to turn those brain cells on to think of the very many other ways to catch ships in null sec without cloaks or local, but zero-effort, zero-risk AFK cloaky methods simply fly in the face of the Eve rewards-risk philosophy.

People say the most slanderous, hateful things about "entitled", "disgusting" highsec-dwellers...

..and then we get threads like this.

TL;DR : HTFU or GTFO nullsec.

You're out in the cold dark depths of space where there's no law and no safety except the law and safety that your alliance provides. If you can't handle it, then you shouldn't be there. You should be in highsec - oh wait. You can be ganked in Highsec. You don't even get the opportunity to shoot them before they shoot you. You'd better not come to highsec, it's not safe enough for you.

Lowsec? It's even more dangerous, what with the PvP-hungry ratter-killer types who swarm all over anything that so much as twitches. You can't go to lowsec either, I guess.

So what's a nullbear to do when they're too scared of shadows on the wall to actually play the game unless they're all alone/surrounded by nothing but blue? This is an important question, as there seem to be quite a lot of nullbears suffering from this problem.

Please explain how interdictors help when you and your little bearfellows instantly pos/dock up the second a none blue enters system.

You are crying your eyes out because someone in nullsec can present a threat to you, a bloo bloo bloo. Friend, go back to highsec. Cloaks are balanced and fine, if there is any issue it is a result of the zero effort, zero risk, absolutely accurate and instantaneous intel provided by local.