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DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#21 - 2013-03-07 13:00:18 UTC
I love all the "omg get a cynabal" replies. Everyone one of them has their reasoning of the fact that you can run like a girl if someone puts up a fight back.

cowards
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#22 - 2013-03-07 13:32:00 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:
I love all the "omg get a cynabal" replies. Everyone one of them has their reasoning of the fact that you can run like a girl if someone puts up a fight back.

cowards


Its probably more the ability to run away when his mates show up.

Just sayin.
Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-03-07 18:12:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Diesel47
Danny John-Peter wrote:
DHB WildCat wrote:
I love all the "omg get a cynabal" replies. Everyone one of them has their reasoning of the fact that you can run like a girl if someone puts up a fight back.

cowards


Its probably more the ability to run away when his mates show up.

Just sayin.


You want to kill them before the friends show up. Or have them show up and not be able to do anything to help.

If you have the ability to escape every fight with a cynabal, then the only things you learn are to half ass engage a fight away. No ability to set up fights in your favor, no tactics, nothing besides the numbers the game gives you I.E your ships speed and agility.

In the end you learn nothing about PvP.

This is the gateway to becoming a risk averse blob-bear bad pvper. And only knowing how to fly one ship is mega fail.
Hakaimono
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-03-07 18:36:01 UTC
Dual prop Cynabal is fun.
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#25 - 2013-03-08 06:19:28 UTC
Katrin Angelico wrote:
I've gotten a good amount off isk lying around and would like to start pvping some. I have good skills to be flying a pirate faction cruiser.


Your toon surely can have the skills.You don't. Start PVPing in something cheaper, not only for the sake of your isk, but also for the fun. If you're called primary in every single engagement without having a minmal clue of pvp, your experience will suck. Try to find a ship that behaves like the pirate cruiser you want to fly. Vigilant -> Thorax, Cynabal -> Stabber etc.


regards,

rob
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#26 - 2013-03-08 08:46:24 UTC
Diesel47 wrote:
Danny John-Peter wrote:
DHB WildCat wrote:
I love all the "omg get a cynabal" replies. Everyone one of them has their reasoning of the fact that you can run like a girl if someone puts up a fight back.

cowards


Its probably more the ability to run away when his mates show up.

Just sayin.


You want to kill them before the friends show up. Or have them show up and not be able to do anything to help.

If you have the ability to escape every fight with a cynabal, then the only things you learn are to half ass engage a fight away. No ability to set up fights in your favor, no tactics, nothing besides the numbers the game gives you I.E your ships speed and agility.

In the end you learn nothing about PvP.

This is the gateway to becoming a risk averse blob-bear bad pvper. And only knowing how to fly one ship is mega fail.


Im not saying he should get into a Cyna, I said thats what its good for, I already listed a whole lot of other gang options, and Im not going to do the "Fly T1 Stuff" rant because other people have that covered :3

Cyna is good, I prefer other stuff for gangs.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-03-09 00:17:43 UTC
Another vote for learn how to PvP thru loss rather than hope buying an OP ship will provide KMs.

http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14788941

(hope the link works)

This guy thought buying a faction battleship would win him fights. It took all of a Rifter to bring him down, I simply whored on the KM with my Letto, he didn't even need my help other than to drop more ammo.
All the cost of a faction BS couldn't buy this guy survival against two lowly pirates in frigs..............

There is a reason why dedicated PvPers don't think of any ship as a win button. If you can't D-Scan down an entire system, identify targets/threats, search player profiles and identify common traps, then ACT.......before your gate cloak runs out....you are just a KM waiting for some pirate in a T1 canoe to claim.

Because THAT is what makes a player a PvP'er, not buying shiny ships or slapping 'faction' bits on it.

Especially when you're afraid of a real fight (thinking to simply out-purchase your enemy) you're just going to look for what you think is an easy gank. That's when the 20 other corp-mates of your target come running because buying a faction ship doesn't teach you to check local, look at profiles, spam your d-scan, set up safes, and approximately one million other things that matter FAR MORE than the ship you wasted money on- that looks exactly like every other wreck floating in space.

Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#28 - 2013-03-09 02:59:59 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Another vote for learn how to PvP thru loss rather than hope buying an OP ship will provide KMs.

http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14788941

(hope the link works)

This guy thought buying a faction battleship would win him fights. It took all of a Rifter to bring him down, I simply whored on the KM with my Letto, he didn't even need my help other than to drop more ammo.
All the cost of a faction BS couldn't buy this guy survival against two lowly pirates in frigs..............

There is a reason why dedicated PvPers don't think of any ship as a win button. If you can't D-Scan down an entire system, identify targets/threats, search player profiles and identify common traps, then ACT.......before your gate cloak runs out....you are just a KM waiting for some pirate in a T1 canoe to claim.

Because THAT is what makes a player a PvP'er, not buying shiny ships or slapping 'faction' bits on it.

Especially when you're afraid of a real fight (thinking to simply out-purchase your enemy) you're just going to look for what you think is an easy gank. That's when the 20 other corp-mates of your target come running because buying a faction ship doesn't teach you to check local, look at profiles, spam your d-scan, set up safes, and approximately one million other things that matter FAR MORE than the ship you wasted money on- that looks exactly like every other wreck floating in space.




This man speaks the truth, I have heard some call Eve pvp boring however there are so many little things you can do in a fight that will increase your overall chance of winning it's mind boggleing sometimes to keep up with it all without that precious experience.

Oderint Dum Metuant
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2013-03-09 10:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Newb in a Cynabal http://shivafurnace.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16705436

good luck

(he engaged me)

.
Cable Udan
Balls Deep Inc.
#30 - 2013-03-09 11:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Cable Udan
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Another vote for learn how to PvP thru loss rather than hope buying an OP ship will provide KMs.

http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14788941

(hope the link works)

This guy thought buying a faction battleship would win him fights. It took all of a Rifter to bring him down, I simply whored on the KM with my Letto, he didn't even need my help other than to drop more ammo.
All the cost of a faction BS couldn't buy this guy survival against two lowly pirates in frigs..............

There is a reason why dedicated PvPers don't think of any ship as a win button. If you can't D-Scan down an entire system, identify targets/threats, search player profiles and identify common traps, then ACT.......before your gate cloak runs out....you are just a KM waiting for some pirate in a T1 canoe to claim.

Because THAT is what makes a player a PvP'er, not buying shiny ships or slapping 'faction' bits on it.

Especially when you're afraid of a real fight (thinking to simply out-purchase your enemy) you're just going to look for what you think is an easy gank. That's when the 20 other corp-mates of your target come running because buying a faction ship doesn't teach you to check local, look at profiles, spam your d-scan, set up safes, and approximately one million other things that matter FAR MORE than the ship you wasted money on- that looks exactly like every other wreck floating in space.



Not empty quoting, these are wise words.



Alternatively, come to Hevrice with a blinged out Cynabal/other faction ship and I'll gladly test your fit.

- Cable
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-03-09 14:03:47 UTC
Alaric Faelen wrote:
Another vote for learn how to PvP thru loss rather than hope buying an OP ship will provide KMs.

http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14788941

(hope the link works)

This guy thought buying a faction battleship would win him fights. It took all of a Rifter to bring him down, I simply whored on the KM with my Letto, he didn't even need my help other than to drop more ammo.
All the cost of a faction BS couldn't buy this guy survival against two lowly pirates in frigs..............

There is a reason why dedicated PvPers don't think of any ship as a win button. If you can't D-Scan down an entire system, identify targets/threats, search player profiles and identify common traps, then ACT.......before your gate cloak runs out....you are just a KM waiting for some pirate in a T1 canoe to claim.

Because THAT is what makes a player a PvP'er, not buying shiny ships or slapping 'faction' bits on it.

Especially when you're afraid of a real fight (thinking to simply out-purchase your enemy) you're just going to look for what you think is an easy gank. That's when the 20 other corp-mates of your target come running because buying a faction ship doesn't teach you to check local, look at profiles, spam your d-scan, set up safes, and approximately one million other things that matter FAR MORE than the ship you wasted money on- that looks exactly like every other wreck floating in space.




nice advice, need lots of experience in PvP not a ship for PvP (well i always lose rifters and thrashers, but sometime got highest damage in fleets)

there's more killmail from that victim that more glorious http://r1fta.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14726097
learn to fit something is basic i think
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#32 - 2013-03-09 14:57:34 UTC
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:


This. There's nothing a Cynabal or Vigilant can teach you that a Thorax or Stabber could not - at considerably less isk lost per death.


As far as the vigilant goes... It's got a significant ehp, dps, cap, and web advantage over a standard dual web rax... You make it sound like the improvements are modest, which they most certainly are not.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-03-10 11:23:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
If you're trying to show that you can beat an elite ship with a not-so-elite ship via skill (or the opponent's lack of skill), a noob fit navy phoon killmail ain't the best example.

Edit: I'm sorry but after everyone starts sucking him off for that post I had to say this, not that I disagree with most of the points that guy made.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-03-10 23:31:43 UTC
Actually, I think it makes another great point......the ship is a very small part of the equation. Twice in a week I've popped battleships with all T1 fittings. Clearly, people believe the ship is what makes for a KM or LM. You don't NEED a Cynabal to win at PvP, and having one in no way ensures a victory.

It's also something newer players don't consider since getting into ever larger ships is quite fast while actually being able to fit those ships is not. A couple week old player can fly a Cynabal..but to fit it with anything less than the best modules affordable is just wasting the isk on a shiny hull. So faction boats come with the onus to fit it well.

A faction BS, pirate cruiser, whatever is just so much space junk if you can't fit it properly. While the OP may have those skills, I've seen WAY too many expensive boat KM's listing fits better suited to level 1 missions than PvP.

In the end, I just agree with everyone else here-- learn to PvP in something cheap. You're going to lose it no matter what, probably in rapid succession. For the money burned on a Cynabal with no more hope of bringing you victory than a regular T1 boat, you can afford to lose several T1's.

In a shiny boat, you'll avoid fights (too expensive to risk on anything but a sure gank) and few people will engage you (in that shiny killer ship). If you REALLY want to get fights- fly something you can afford a bunch of at once. And fly something people will actually fight. But an inexperienced PvPer in a shiny ship is just a KM waiting for someone in a boat 1/100th the cost to claim.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#35 - 2013-03-11 00:37:53 UTC
As said numerous times, choose a T1 ship that you're interested in, fit out 20 of them in your clone station and go out and lose them one by one, it's the best way to learn and the experiences you'll get from it will allow you to improve your fit and you'll eventually reach the point when you want more and you can upgrade to a better ship for more potential.
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