Intergalactic Summit

It has already been stated that the single largest sticking point in this conflict, larger than Executor Heth, larger than the Titan and larger than the atrocities of previous centuries, is the Federation's inability to conceive of the fact that a race's RIGHT to the cradle of it's civilisation is more profound than the historical equivalent of squatter's rights.

I really don't know how to put this to you in any other way - we are ready to commit whatever resources are required to take this all the way. We have a military that can project force FAR better than yours. We have a population that is fully behind the reasons for this war.

We're prepared to bleed and sacrifice and wait - however patiently is necessary - to get our Home back. Again, this is not chest-beating, you just don't seem to be intellectually prepared to accept the truth here. If I'm using poetry, it's because polite explanation has failed and hyperbole is my last resort on the road to brute force.

The fact is it most likely wouldn't be. Gallentean admirals chafe at the restriction of CONCORD a great deal more than their Caldari counterparts and for good reason.

Peace is not a delusion. Peace is the only sane mindset, even for a military person. All other visions will end in self-anihilation. Hold on to your visions for peace. Find ways to be faithful to your values and allow others to be true to their's while agreeing together to pursue peace. The pursuit of peace is the motive of a sound mind. I hope that many sound minds, though in disagreement over the details, will agree on the goal of peace.

Yeah, in fact. How about we also get to keep the promise that every signatory member of this Union has that they will not be abandoned when in need? That the collective weight of the Federation will help them when needed? All those annexed Caldari Nations on Caldari Prime are Federation member-states, and the Union in general owe them our support, whatever that is.

It could be military liberation, or something else - if the corporate hegemony that is the Caldari State wants the homeworld they fled from back under their sway, those who lived there from the beginning and whose ancestors moved there generations ago needs the rights to come and go as they wish, for starters, and the right to live their lives as they please, as a good second.

I wonder what your State will do with all the sovereign nations and their citizens that resides on that planet. Scratch that. I wonder what they HAVE done to them.



As mentioned before CONCORD does not have that power. However the SDII was not created to drive Heth out of office, as your statement here might claim, but to provide internal security in war-time. We can argue how well that has gone some other day however.




Hundred of billion of citizens? You do know that Black Rise is thinly populated by a few million people at most, and that many are considered non-entities in the State for not being employees of any mega, right?

Right?



Completely unacceptable. De-militarize one of the Federation's cultural hearts for the benefit of the State? Not going to happen.

If the Federation agrees to make the planet and the surrounding space a DMZ however you can rest assured that it will be honored. There is to much to lose and practically nothing to gain from breaking such an arrangement once made, especially if it starts another war with the State who has CONCORD's assistance. Far more likely that such a deal will never be made to start with.

With all the respect in the cluster, Andreus, that is an opinion that Federal Admirals have held in the past - to the great detriment of both the Federation and the State. Military Experts have never felt that the Caldari fleet is a poor match for the Federal one and the fact that the State has no interest in offensive operations within the Federation - outside the claiming and maintaining of Home - should not be seen in a negative light.

The truth is that we've never had a dream of expanding at the expense of our neightbours. We have so many systems that are still in need of development.

The Federation will not have the authority to demilitarize the Luminaire system, as I imagine it remains the jurisdiction of the hundreds of planetary nations found on Gallentia, Corufeu, and Astrin. They will need to be convinced as to why they should let their sovereign space be demilitarized and placed under CONCORD jurisdiction.

I don't suspect it'd be a difficult job, mind. They'd still remain Federation member states, it's just CONCORD patrolling the space, not FedNav or GalCom. Still, moving the idea of demilitarization to just the Caldari Prime planetary sphere?

The actions of the past five years speak otherwise.

I would like to remind you that AFAIK, the various nation-states on Caldari Prime had armed forces. Trained, equipped, dedicated and capable people who knew how to operate their equipment to great effect. There were also a number of Federal Marine regiments on the ground and odds are great that not all of those have been silenced, a great many have likely escaped death by orbital bombardment and are helping to direct and train the resistance as we speak.

I would further like to remind you that pacifying a whole planet deep in enemy territory is.... hard work. All those people shooting at your 'skilled front-line' soldiers will not all magically be poorly trained civilians without a clue in the world, many, if not even most, will know what they are doing.

As for your little punch line, here is another:

Why was diplomacy unacceptable to killing our citizens? The blood from the people who died defending their homes from your invasion is on your head.



And now suddenly all of them are squatters.

A whole planet with a multitude of sovereign nations and all of their citizens are squatters on a world that your people abandoned en-mass roughly two centuries ago.

Any claim any of them might have to live on a planet their ancestors have called "Home" for that extent of time, or longer in the case of all the Caldari who reside there and never actually left, is null and void. Because you said so.

And then you boast that your are ready to do anything to have your way. We cave in and give it to you or you take it anyway you can. The "truth" you speak of is subjective like everything here. Here is an objective, proven fact: You left. About two centuries ago. Billions left, millions stayed. According to many of your countrymen, the ones who stayed are not actually Caldari, because not being a State citizen is a crime.

You want back the property-rights to the land you abandoned and you are willing to do anything for that, while those who live there today are squatters and non-entities to you, you do not care for the opposing arguments and the desires of the Federation are irrelevant to you, it seems.

Those arguments will look so great on any diplomatic table, indeed.

Not exactly I'm afarid. Issue on how to come about it have been addressed, but not as to why its an unreasonable request that is spun in the outright favor of the State. I want to know why its unreasonable and in explicit favor of the State and disadvantageous to the Federation as you seemed to have suggested.

What does the Federation stand to lose if Luminarie, our shared home system, were to become demilitarized and protected by CONCORD. I've already mentioned how its advantageous to both of our respective nations, and have yet to see any downside. Can you please elaborate as to your opposition in such terms?

*Edit: I've noticed nothing but Federation and CONCORD vessels in the greater region of Essence and Luminarie, which is why I find it somewhat confusing as to how jurisdiction of the vacuum is divided. Is the space between stations and planets also controlled by hundreds of different nations? it seems like there would be an awful lot of red tape involved.

I appreciate your even handed response, although none of those problems seem to be beyond workability nor in blatant favoritism of one side or another from my position.