EVE General Discussion

The "null sec poor, high sec rich, nerf high sec" forum wars are heating up again, and numerous CSM candidates are running on that platform.

CCP, why can't you release economic data that supports, or refutes, these positions?
Diogaras, before he quit in June, was tweeting the results of SQL requests on a daily basis.
He proved how easy it was.

Since then, nothing of value that can be used on a comparative basis of sector by sector income breakdowns.
Why?

The devs themselves posted that they all got a days SQL training a few months ago.
I am not saying that every dev should starting pulling up data, but you could have one dev pull out data for a day and post it, and the various parties then could use it to hammer away at each other with FACTS, not propaganda, suppositions, and lies.

Considering we are anticipating a landslide null sec CSM, many who have publicly stated they are bent on hammering high sec, it would be nice to see some actual data that supports or refutes their claims.

It would also severely reduce the workload of the ISD and they would not have umpteen threads starting up every day about this the economic class warfare.

So I ask again, why can't you release this data?

Editing first post, asking ISD to wipe out all the incendiary posts, before deciding to lock the thread.

So I guess the ultimate question, is why can't CCP just release the economic data to base intelligent, well thought-out, fact-based platforms on.
There are plenty of number crunchers on both sides of the argument, but much of the complete hyperbole would be melted away as it would not be able to pass any sanity check.

I have never had an answer from CCP as to why they don't do it.
They certainly have the tools to pull out detailed data.

vince snetterton can you please post your understanding of the 'nullsec' side's argument

Thought-out and fact based? What does that have to do with politics, which is all about self-interest.



Non-carebears see all the highsec carebears as potential targets. There are all these players whose day I could ruin, if CCP would just: change the high sec mechanics, nerf high, buff null, etc, etc. WRONG! This wrong headed belief is the core of the problem.


Those people are not playing this game because they enjoy having their day ruined by you. They are playing this game because the "good day/ruined day" ratio is acceptable to them. Alter that ratio, and they'll stop playing.



NO ONE is going to play a game where they are nothing but an easy victim to those that get their jollies by ruining someone else's day. NO ONE!



Some call me entitled... Yeah, I'm entitled to enjoy playing a game, or guess what.... I won't play it.

Station slots, yeah, that can be ground out, though I doubt anyone would do it for a billion ISK, when CCP could craft a SQL request and give an answer in by end of day.

But how about stuff like:

1. How many supercaps are in the game today.
2. Average payout/ tick of a null sec forsaken hub runner.
3. Average payout/tick of a high sec L4 mission runner.
4. Average payout of high sec incursion runner.
5. Average yield of ore / hour of high sec exhumers.
6. Quantity of ore mined and utilized / sector, including low and wormholes.
7 Total ISK generated, on a monthly basis, over the last 6, for all sectors of space. I mean in NPC bounties, blue loot.
8. Average amount of players online at any time in all sectors of space, with trends. Even break it down by ship at given snapshots, if possible.
9. And yes, how many mfg slots are in high sec, and what percentage are used, and how many finished T2 products are created in high sec stations versus at high sec POS's, low sec POS's, and null sec stations/POS's.

There is zero doubt that CCP can pull this data out.
The question is why they don't.

These are a just a small sample of simple questions, and I have pretty much ignored questions the wormhole and low sec guys would like answered.

The posturing and strutting that ultimately turns up in conversations about highsec and nullsec is always such a laugh.

I've lived almost everywhere except WH space in the years I have played Eve. Most of my time was spent in null. Highsec Sov, then NPC, and then highsec and then Sov, and then NPC, and then lowsec and then highsec.... Everyone likes to think the "teh l33t pVp" occurs in their space and that they're the real bad ass and everyone else needs to HTFU. Well, let me tell you a secret. This argument isn't about you. It's about what's good for the game. There are elite PvPers everywhere, not just in null. Frankly most of them are in lowsec and NPC null as far as I am concerned. Two areas of space that no one talks about in these ridiculous discussions.

Highsec and Sov incomes are fine as they are. The problems occur in the game mechanics of both. No nerffing is required of either, just some mechanic tweaking to both.

More fun facts:

· Out of 1,212 highsec systems, 650 (54%) offer some form of NPC S&I service:
     2,890 copy slots or 2.4 per system.
     5,780 each of ME, PE, and invention slots or 4.8 per system.
     68,050 production slots or 56.1 per system.

· Out of 695 lowsec systems, 306 (44%) offer some form of NPC S&I service:
     1,479 copy slots or 2.1 per system
     2,909 each of ME, PE, and invention slots or 4.2 per system (49 have gone missing somewhere…)
     28,741 production slots or 41.4 per system

· Out of 6,022 nullsec systems, 186 offer some form of NPC S&I service:
     1,140 copy slots or 0.19 per system
     2,280 each of ME, PE, and invention slots or 0.38 per system.
     13,550 production slots or 2.3 per system.

…note that the nullsec figures include a number of systems, stations and services that can't be reached or used by players.

No, the database is.

Just to be clear, the distribution is:
· 1,212 highsec
· 695 lowsec
· 3,294 nullsec
· 2,498 w-space
· 230 dev-space

MySQL + the retribution data dump.

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