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How would YOU fit / pilot an Incursus to beat a web/scram blaster Atron?
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The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-03-07 11:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
You can plate it and pilot, yes. But that's a big if for a newer player. Plus, the OD is more unexpected.

We both maxed our nav skills a long time ago :)


Ed. maybe I'm biased. I fly the incursus like an improved old school, pre buff falloff merchant with 3 ambits and an od.
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-03-07 15:05:13 UTC
Dual rep fit your Incursus and tank him to his death, simple as that. Or pop an Exile booster and tank him to death on a single repper. This assumes you are fitting an injector and a MWD, really.

Tactic would be to let him scram/web you, you scram him and plink at each other. Bait-tank him to make sure he goes all-in (keep your armour at 1/2 or less). If he tries to bail, heat your scram and pre-overheat your MWD, hit approach and spam click the MWD so you can get a pulse off when his scram drops (if he forgot to overheat his scram) and yours is still on.

An Atron can push out a lot of DPS, but it's cap limited, an Incursus should have no problems dispatching one, no matter if rail or blaster fitted.
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-03-07 15:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Cute E
Let me put some details here.

I usually fit my Atron like this:
[Atron, honour tank]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I

Stats:
3363m/s (4805 w/ heat)
217 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km.
42DPS tank, if the fight takes too long structure damage will be taken, but Gallente ships don't lack structure and the DCU II helps a lot there.


I fit my Incursus like this:
[Incursus, pvp dualrep]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Warrior II x1

Stats:
2756m/s (3941 w/ heat)
228 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km.
115DPS tank.

I think it's p. clear who comes out on top, especially since you can actually permatank the Atron without cap boosters.

Protip© - you can actually offline your mwd when brawling all-in, as it'll give you a bit of extra cap. Goes double for the Atron.

Cap injecting in the Incursus must be done with pinpoint accuracy so your reppers don't stop, especially if overheated. Preoverheat the cap injector for a faster cycle time. Heat the reppers but careful so you don't burn them out. Pop an exile booster, the best you can afford.
SeaSaw
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2013-03-07 15:28:13 UTC
Good Sirs;

The Atron has an ECM defense of 7, one of the lowest in the land. Just fit the specific jammer.


your humble servent
SeaSaw
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#25 - 2013-03-07 15:56:01 UTC
Cute E wrote:
Let me put some details here.

I usually fit my Atron like this:
[Atron, honour tank]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I

Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Void S
[empty high slot]

Small Ancillary Current Router I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Nanobot Accelerator I

Stats:
3363m/s (4805 w/ heat)
217 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km.
42DPS tank, if the fight takes too long structure damage will be taken, but Gallente ships don't lack structure and the DCU II helps a lot there.


I fit my Incursus like this:
[Incursus, pvp dualrep]
Small Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

Upgraded 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S

Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I


Warrior II x1

Stats:
2756m/s (3941 w/ heat)
228 DPS with 5% implants before heat 1.7+2.3km.
115DPS tank.

I think it's p. clear who comes out on top, especially since you can actually permatank the Atron without cap boosters.

Protip© - you can actually offline your mwd when brawling all-in, as it'll give you a bit of extra cap. Goes double for the Atron.

Cap injecting in the Incursus must be done with pinpoint accuracy so your reppers don't stop, especially if overheated. Preoverheat the cap injector for a faster cycle time. Heat the reppers but careful so you don't burn them out. Pop an exile booster, the best you can afford.


Stop trying to get him to fly shitfits or using boosters in a t1 frig.. and void is generally a really bad choice in a frig fight.

Neither of the fits you posted are likely to even break the shields on a rail incursus let alone kill it and neither can kill an enemy atron that isn't a ******.

If you're bad at frigs, don't give advice on them.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-03-07 16:40:27 UTC
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2013-03-07 17:11:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Garviel Tarrant
Cute E wrote:
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\


Good luck killing an unwebbed Vexor/thorax

A dual rep incursus should be a niche thing, since its a gimpy fit that can do very specific things rather well. That is kill bigger things that move to slowly to **** with transversal even when not webbed.

It however is not a good solo roaming fit. On a frig, 95% of the time you want a web if at all possible... that number goes up to 99% if that said frig happens to use blasters.

The atron fit however is servicable but i don't like the atron much tbh.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-03-07 17:16:02 UTC
Cute E wrote:
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\


If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#29 - 2013-03-07 21:04:42 UTC
The VC's wrote:
Cute E wrote:
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\


If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away.


Not really. you die in a dual rep incursus against pretty much anything that can out range you and is faster. Unless you have friends to come save your sorry ass as your cap boosters WILL run out at some time. Your said atron sitting at 8km will own a DR inc pretty much every day of the week and twice on sundays.

The DR incursus is amazing for some things but in a frig dogfight it really has issues. Similar issues to the punisher but lacks the damage projection of the punisher.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-03-07 21:12:50 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
The VC's wrote:
Cute E wrote:
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\


If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away.


Not really. you die in a dual rep incursus against pretty much anything that can out range you and is faster. Unless you have friends to come save your sorry ass as your cap boosters WILL run out at some time. Your said atron sitting at 8km will own a DR inc pretty much every day of the week and twice on sundays.

The DR incursus is amazing for some things but in a frig dogfight it really has issues. Similar issues to the punisher but lacks the damage projection of the punisher.


Bolded for clarity
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#31 - 2013-03-07 21:31:37 UTC
[Incursus, Damn Right]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Small Hull Repairer II
Small Hull Repairer II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I

Srsly, they'll never see it coming.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#32 - 2013-03-07 22:51:29 UTC
The VC's wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
The VC's wrote:
Cute E wrote:
I'm sure I don't qualify as an elite pvp-er, but those "****" fits got a lot of kills :)

Void is there just because, of course it's silly to fly with tracking penalty ammo loaded. But enough spoon-feeding has been done, everyone can fly whatever they want, it's a free New Eden.

Just don't complain getting neuted into oblivion when trying to hit above your weight in a frigate because cap injectors are "fail" on a frigate o\


If you die to a dual rep Incursus, you've really fecked up and been caught with your pants down. Also, an Atron without either ambits or a TE is not the whole Atron. It's falloff bonus is unique in T1 frigs. Use it, sit at 8km and plink away.


Not really. you die in a dual rep incursus against pretty much anything that can out range you and is faster. Unless you have friends to come save your sorry ass as your cap boosters WILL run out at some time. Your said atron sitting at 8km will own a DR inc pretty much every day of the week and twice on sundays.

The DR incursus is amazing for some things but in a frig dogfight it really has issues. Similar issues to the punisher but lacks the damage projection of the punisher.


Bolded for clarity


What clarity?

You claimed that if you die in a DR inc its because you've been caught with your pants down. I'm claiming that you WILL die to a decently piloted ship unless you get saved my friends.......Not if.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-07 22:58:07 UTC
I said that if you die to a DR Incursus, you've messed up (you're in another ship).

I don't die in a DR Incursus because I never fly them.

Read it again.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#34 - 2013-03-07 23:17:21 UTC
The VC's wrote:
I said that if you die to a DR Incursus, you've messed up (you're in another ship).

I don't die in a DR Incursus because I never fly them.

Read it again.


Oh yeah. Reading fail!!!

Bloody spreadsheets at work has got me seeing squares all over the place!!

Completely agree with you post then Big smile

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
The VC's
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-03-07 23:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: The VC's
I've only ever killed one DR Incursus iirc.

We were at a planet, I was in an AB/Nano/3 locus rig Punisher. I set keep at range to 15 km, killed the drone and zapped away for several minutes without any further input. I think I even got up and fetched a drink and came back. When he eventually ran out of navy 400's he went down. I was surprised my crystals lasted that long. That was ten minutes of his life he wouldn't get back. At least I had a drink.

Now, if it's DR I just burn away and warp off. Life's too short.
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