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Solo Piloting? Piracy?

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Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-07 11:55:04 UTC
Well, I guess I'll get straight to the point.

As a 2 month old noob in Eve Online I'm finding right now that I'm a little disappointed .

Please let me elaborate. Before I purchased my first subscription to Eve Online, I read about all the interesting stories about wars, politics and piracy throughout New Edens history. I must admit, reading all of these stories is what actually caught my attention about Eve Online, not only that but all the various career paths one could pursue.

What actually interested me the most about Eve Online was the Piracy Career. In particular, I loved the idea of being able to steal other players resources (otherwise known as can flipping) and just generally causing mayhem. To be quiet honest, I thought this was right up my alley considering I'm very much interested in solo work and it made sense to start here as a new Pilot.

Well, I guess I didn't read that much of the content I was reading had been out dated. I apologize if I'm misinformed here, but is High Sec Piracy now dead? Is it still a viable activity in the game?

The only reason I'm specifically asking about High Sec Piracy in general is because it seems like it's my only viable option to solo pvp considering how new my char is.

I know that Blob vs Blob isn't my cup of tea. Small gang roams I don't mind, but I subscribed into this game thinking I could harass industrialists, strategically plan out how I would ransom/hijack other pilots and generally cause mayhem very much all on my own.

Ladies and Gents, I ask you. What can I do as a 2 month old pilot in New Eden to satisfy my solo and/or piracy taste buds?

I very much live in Low Sec space now and I just cannot seem to find any solo fights there either, due to the amounts of pilots who either;

1. Try to gank me.

or

2. Are so much older then me it would be stupid to even engage them due to their much higher SP.

I have even gone though the effort of doing a daily roam throughout my region marking other pilots around the same SP as myself with a bad standing. Picking out potential targets where I believe there could be some potential good fights. But it seems many of those pilots literally do not leave high sec space.


I guess this is more of a rant then anything and I apologize if I have come off the wrong way. But it feels as though I'm very much limited in what I can do in terms of PvP unless I decide to join a Blob fleet.

Maybe I just got the wrong impression of how I pictured this game before I decided to play it. Don't get me wrong, I still love the game.... but just disappointed atm.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2013-03-07 11:57:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alice Saki
I recommend you go and post in C&P those guys are quite good at messing with HS Mechanics to grief people.

Good Luck

Also I do believe Can flipping is dead.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Princess Saskia
Hyperfleet Industries
#3 - 2013-03-07 12:05:05 UTC
I too 'greive' people aswell Alice

 ♥ 

Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#4 - 2013-03-07 12:07:55 UTC
Princess Saskia wrote:
I too 'greive' people aswell Alice


Ack stupid spellchecker changed it

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-03-07 12:17:46 UTC
Well, yeah, you're disappointed. Get over it.
You first have to start small and only then you can get bigger.

You could, at first, accept a job as my scanner/looter.
Lot of stuff to learn doing that, until your skills get better to gank anything.

I even promise you there's no sitting around like all the wannabee ganking noobs do it
with their neutral alts.




Otoh ... i'm not in the mood now.

I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2013-03-07 12:19:10 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:


I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^


You're so fat.


Yes I want some
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-03-07 12:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
baltec1 wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:


I had bacon wrapped sausages and french fries for lunch. ^_^


You're so fat.
Wish i had 10kg more, tbh. :)

Quote:
Yes I want some
I TOTALLY didn't see this coming. xD
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#8 - 2013-03-07 12:27:47 UTC
Hisec is just the starter area, there isn't much you can do there besides the new player tutorials. The rules placed there to protect new players restrict gameplay too much and make it impossible to enjoy EVE.

I find plenty of solo in lowsec, you need to forget the SP thing. Skill points have never killed anyone. Player experience is the lethal weapon. While sometimes old characters are piloted by experienced players, you can as often meet pilots (new alts) with low SP but insane human skillz flying their ships, or really old toons with only hilarious lossmails.

Another thing to realize is that all skills are capped at level V. This means that you reach competitive level really fast, and can max your skills for, say, T1 frigs in matter of months. That 10-year old character can't have any higher skill levels than you, he just has more injected skills, allowing more ship and weapon choices for him.

So pick a ship, focus your training and on paper you're as good as anyone. The difference comes from player skills, and there really isn't a shortcut (besided reading all the pvp guides and practicing piloting with friends and NPCS), you need to lock them up, point them and do your best to pop them. Don't worry about losing, just try to learn from every engagement and don't repeat your mistakes. You can even convo your opponents after a fight, explain that you are new and willing to learn and maybe they tell you why you died. You'll find that lowseccers are generally chill and fair dudes and most are happy to help out a newbro.

Good luck!

.

Tryce Jaor
Black Dragon PHP
#9 - 2013-03-07 12:27:57 UTC
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:


Ladies and Gents, I ask you. What can I do as a 2 month old pilot in New Eden to satisfy my solo and/or piracy taste buds?



Honestly, it sounds like you would enjoy infiltration and ganking. Killing your corp mates basically.

Join a corp, pretending to be a good guy and interested etc etc.... Select a target you know you can kill (one of your corp mates). Select relevant ship to kill with and voila kill it!

I suggest this because if you enjoy can flipping then you enjoy griefing :) No problem with that but take it a step further, it will be fun.
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#10 - 2013-03-07 12:30:35 UTC
so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.

You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.

Kestrix
The Whispering
#11 - 2013-03-07 12:37:26 UTC
Your new to the game so solo PvP is not the best course of action yet. Better getting into a corp that does the type of PvP your interested in and start learning the ropes from them and learning how to be a usful fleet member. Once you have the skills and ability then start going off alone.
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games.
#12 - 2013-03-07 12:39:25 UTC
If you want to go down the griefing route, here's a few ideas for Piracy/Corp Theft, etc.

As Tryce said above: start off small. Find a small mining corp, warp in your frigate and pick on some defenceless miners, ransom them and HONOUR IT! (It shows you aren't just an asshat).

After, once you have worked your way up to a cruiser, you can start picking on bigger prey, I'd suggest a thorax or a rupture training wise, with a t2 plate fit, or shield buffer fit with each, you can do a lot of damage. Start picking on mission runners, look @ mission running corporations and ask for help with missions until people are comfortable enough to warp in their shiny bs's, then gank the crap out of them!

a long, long way down the line, when you can fly some advanced cruisers or BC's, look @ Wormhole theft and kills. People use some VERY shiny ships in wormholes to tank sleepers, and you could quite easily be the nail in the coffin, whilst making yourself very rich in the meantime.

1. This is very fun.
2. You will make a name for yourself (it will be bad, and will tarnish your "reputation" but it will be great)
3. You'll be rich

I'd suggest not picking on PvP corporations though, a lot of them are tight-knit etc.

The other option is faction warfare lowsec! ofc.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-03-07 12:58:45 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.

You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)


Basically, yes. I feel this is the only solo pvp I can do right now where I actually have a chance to kill other pilots and earn some isk at the same time. I'm sure many high sec miners have alts/corpies 1 - 3 jumps away from them, so I'm sure there is still some risk involved. But pvp'ing in low sec with a 2 month old char seems like suicide considering how hard it is to find 1 v 1 fights.

Is there something else better that you can suggest?

Just another question as well, do most pilots who live in High sec expect to be invulnerable whilst going about their daily activites?

As I seem to be reading more about this game, seems like high sec mechanics have dramatically changed over the past few years.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-07 12:59:38 UTC
Buhhdust Princess wrote:
If you want to go down the griefing route, here's a few ideas for Piracy/Corp Theft, etc.

As Tryce said above: start off small. Find a small mining corp, warp in your frigate and pick on some defenceless miners, ransom them and HONOUR IT! (It shows you aren't just an asshat).

After, once you have worked your way up to a cruiser, you can start picking on bigger prey, I'd suggest a thorax or a rupture training wise, with a t2 plate fit, or shield buffer fit with each, you can do a lot of damage. Start picking on mission runners, look @ mission running corporations and ask for help with missions until people are comfortable enough to warp in their shiny bs's, then gank the crap out of them!

a long, long way down the line, when you can fly some advanced cruisers or BC's, look @ Wormhole theft and kills. People use some VERY shiny ships in wormholes to tank sleepers, and you could quite easily be the nail in the coffin, whilst making yourself very rich in the meantime.

1. This is very fun.
2. You will make a name for yourself (it will be bad, and will tarnish your "reputation" but it will be great)
3. You'll be rich

I'd suggest not picking on PvP corporations though, a lot of them are tight-knit etc.

The other option is faction warfare lowsec! ofc.


Very interesting post. Thanks for your feedback. :)
Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
#15 - 2013-03-07 13:23:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Domina Trix
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Domina Trix wrote:
so, OP, you want to can flip miners which means you want them to flag to you so you can gank them yet you complain when you go to low sec and get ganked yourself.

You will fit right in with the ganking community here :)


Basically, yes. I feel this is the only solo pvp I can do right now where I actually have a chance to kill other pilots and earn some isk at the same time. I'm sure many high sec miners have alts/corpies 1 - 3 jumps away from them, so I'm sure there is still some risk involved. But pvp'ing in low sec with a 2 month old char seems like suicide considering how hard it is to find 1 v 1 fights.

Is there something else better that you can suggest?

Just another question as well, do most pilots who live in High sec expect to be invulnerable whilst going about their daily activites?

As I seem to be reading more about this game, seems like high sec mechanics have dramatically changed over the past few years.


If you believe what the gankers say all do but in reality only some do the rest either don't care or like myself consider getting ganked in hisec to be little more than an annoyance that is part of eve.

As for pvp'ing with a young pilot you are going to lose ships alot until you get to grips with it but from what I have read even young pilots have a place in pvp corps however if you insist on soloing pvp you are going to have a tough time.

Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them.

Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#16 - 2013-03-07 13:36:49 UTC
You want to grief? If you can get alt or an NPC friend then do the following.

1. Train for ganking catalyst (T1 varient, they are cheap and easy to train for)
2. Go find a juicy target (miners seem to be the in thing)
3. Have friend/alt eject you the gank ship from an Orca or he can even fly it to you then eject out of it for you to board.
4. Gank target.
5. Have alt scoop loot and salvage wreck.
6. Dock at station and wait 15 minutes
7. Profit???
8. Goto step 1
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-07 13:37:46 UTC
Domina Trix wrote:
If you believe what the gankers say all do but in reality only some do the rest either don't care or like myself consider getting ganked in hisec to be little more than an annoyance that is part of eve.

As for pvp'ing with a young pilot you are going to lose ships alot until you get to grips with it but from what I have read even young pilots have a place in pvp corps however if you insist on soloing pvp you are going to have a tough time.

Ever read a book above elementary grade ?
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#18 - 2013-03-07 14:19:01 UTC
OP, join my public channel, "Revolution!" We pretty much specialize in showing new players to be highsec pirates. I've got guys younger than you who are getting juicy kills every single day. There are lots of ways to get started, and many of them are pretty much open to newbies if you are smart about how you go at it.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-03-07 15:18:28 UTC
Hey, dude. I have a bit of work you can do as young as a single day old that will allow you to kill some excellent ****.

I wrote a guide about it.

Also well within your grasp as a relatively new player is ninja salvaging/mission invasion and suicide ganking. I love helping newbros get into the life, so don't hesitate for a second to contact me in game.

Some of the people in this thread have told you that you need to wait until you have more SP or that you need to start small. Don't be shackled down by their lies. You can find a way to get involved in almost every aspect of the life at incredibly low SP.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-07 15:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Roime wrote:
Hisec is just the starter area, there isn't much you can do there besides the new player tutorials. The rules placed there to protect new players restrict gameplay too much and make it impossible to enjoy EVE.
...


I would disagree with this. There still is much enjoyable asshattery to be done in hisec to fill fuel tanks with tears, but you are correct in that CCP's road to nerfdom is always making this job harder to do.

Harder, but still very doable. You can actually generate a lot of amazing stories based on solo & small-gang non-consensual hisec pvp, that just don't happen in lo/nullsec, specifically because of their expectation of safety proven false.
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