EVE General Discussion

Bloody Nullsec Zealots.
Actually after this thread it is really becoming "Bloody Hi-sec Zealots"

Not terribly often, since if you undock into a hot situation you can pretty much always dock again.
You only run into trouble if you aggress like an idiot, or if you invalidate invuln/let it expire and get alpha'd.

That trick still works.

So you will be fine with high sec stations also charging the same sum to every pilot that uses them then.

tried to be sarcastic?

failed.

because HIGHSEC is the place to be!

any other areas of Eve Universe if for roams and fun only. Which you (i mean 0.0 SOV seccers) prove with your "i only do fleet ops here".

Yes, but between timers shortening and stations having been changed so that now few are still of the kick off kind, the need to resort to the stop trick has gone down.

Fair enough, it would remain cheaper and easier to produce inn high sec. As there are no bubbles and concord is there to protect you and your assets. This is not about forcing anyone to do anything.

It is about allowing those who risk or go out of their way to have higher faction standings or higher skilling to have more alternatives, while at the same time not destroying the game play of those in high sec, be they full time or casual industrialists.

As at the moment the only choice worth taking is Hi sec NPC stations.

So I see no problem I in your want to remain in hi sec. This is of course your choice.

And that's the one real recurring and true issue.

Even if hi sec stations refined at 10% efficiency, even if people had to only use POSes, they'd still stick to hi sec, including you.

This is why I say that nerfing hi sec is pointless. As long as the very "hi sec concept" exists, regardless of how much you'll nerf it, people will still firmly stick to staying there and even null sec industrialists will stick in there.

That's why I say that the only "cure" is removing hi sec completely and re-implement gradual security "decline" tied with increasing offered features (not income, *features* and capabilities).

Look at mining. Income has dropped 5 times since last year's HK days, it might still drop another 5 times and people will still do it.

PI? The same. Hi sec planets suck, there's a sensible tax yet only a fraction bothers doing PI outside of hi sec.
Hi sec L4 missions? The same. From > 100M per hour now they might be down to 30-40 yet people firmly sticks doing them.
Why? Simple. Because they are the slack, casual, no brainer and still with positive profits expectation over time.

Hi sec gives low losses, removes any risk of losing stuff (locked in hostile station or popped POS) but most of all it gives positive profits expectation over time. Less than everywhere else? Nobody cares, plenty enough to keep buying PLEX, ships and whatever.

So, once CCP will have spent half year+ improving null sec industry, in the end 95% of the playerbase won't give a crap, because there's always the fail-safe positive profits expectation over time zone.

Only a full blown solution with hi sec removal would actually affect gameplay to really make people leave such comfort place.

That's probably the reason why CCP have not spent half year+ improving null sec industry while nerfing hi sec: because it'd be irrelevant to any but a minority who are ready for more profit without the fail safe zone.

Given that the bulk of my market is in VFK no, no I don't want to be in high sec. But because high sec is is the cheapest place to be thats where I stay. Its where everyone else will stay too because who in their right mind wants to make less isk?

Wait, are you implying that it should be FAIR? God, you nullbears are the biggest hypocrits. Whenever you're talking about nerfing hisec all we hear is "the game isn't about fairness".