EVE General Discussion

Well I'd be pretty disappointed. I like going back and analyzing battles and encounters. It's also a useful source of intel on enemy fits, or a way for corps and alliances to determine if their own pilots are using the proper fit.

I think to fully understand this sort of thing we need to ask what a wardec is in the first place?

A wardec is a means not an end. If a wardec doesn't have a motive it SHOULD suck

Let us pretend that we play in a game where everyone is not an idiot.

Indy corp has found an Icebelt. Indy corp wants to drive up Ice Prices in the region and reap the profit so they can mine the belt exclusively. They wardec their competing corps in that area.
Now lets look for a second at the reaction of TWA Lahara or whatever it is. He docks and disappears off the face of the map. The Indy corp can now mine exclusively to their hearts content. Their imposed Ice monopoly on the area could cause the other corps to communicate and band together to hire someone to get rid of these assholes and get their ice belts back. They could look for some newer greener pastures. Hell, they could look at setting up some sort of awesome stealth importing business to undercut this new aggressive mining corp that don't want to share.
But no, instead Tawara or whatever sits in his dock and declares himself the winner. And the worlds keep turning.

This is a great scenario for a working wardec, no doubt the kind of idea the system was intended for.

But does it work that way?

In order for a wardec to mean anything it means you are dealing with a resource in highsec. At last check no ice belt was exclusive to only a pair of corps. A single wardec wouldn't suffice. Several would be needed. Lets go further and say NPC corp wardec invulnerability and corp hopping is fixed and those corps are dec'd as well. You still have the issue of all other belts of the same type in highsec and types which yield the same isotopes elsewhere to contend with on the markets. Securing the highsec resources means that many more wardecs.

Is it really even remotely feasible to control that much of a single resource to compensate for the cost of the wars?

Even if that was somehow successful, what happens when other entities, noticing the increase in ice prices and decide to take advantage of your work? Do you add even more decs to further increase your costs that you must now make up for?

Also an industrial entity interested in this is likely not going to have the strength in numbers or PvP capability to police these wardecs on their own so mercenary costs would likely become involved. It's just not a feasible way to do things for profit. Even securing territory in highsec, such as securing a belt for your corp or all the belts in a system, falls painfully short of placing the greater gain in favor of the aggressor because of the population harvesting and lack of scarcity. But at least in that scenario there can be a convenience factor with not having the rocks in your home system mined out from under you.

Ice on the other hand lacks even that.

We've only seen this plan work once, and it wasn't done through wardecs.

I made no assumptions really, but I'll admit I haven't been in ice belts for a while. So for all I know there could only be 2 corps represented there now.

But if that isn't the case what I said stands. As for the rest, without it policing a resource through wardec is impossible so bringing up this scenario makes no sense.

In the end it's just another reason why when it worked wardecs weren't the tool of choice. They do have their purposes, but several of those purposes (especially in the cases of large scale resource denial and economic warfare) don't work in the game as it currently stands.

So in short there's two groups of people.
-those who don't mind or even enjoy being wardecced
-those who don't like being wardecced and have therefore taken steps to make it unrewarding or impossible for the attacker to dec them

should it be this way there will be no Pearl Harbor at all.
Because there will be no USA.
because european bandits never invaded and tainted american continent


agree. It's bad tho that some people to risk averse to accept wardecs and use decshields/etc and other players are so risk averse so they only wardec peaceful miners/industrials/bears/etc....

If only they had a module that allowed you to scan a ship to see how it is fit.... Then we could remove the kill reports.

You may want to open up the Map, go to the Star Map tab, then Stars and under Statistics - you know, those things that CCP base their player count projections on - and click the "Average Pilots in space in the last 30 minutes".

I'll post a picture within 24 hours if you won't post one yourself.

You do realize evasion of aggressors, which only exists because of another player's attempt to destroy your ship, is a form of multiplayer interaction, right?

Having decs follow pilots, or preventing those pilots from being in NPC corps will not result in those pilots participating in war. They will just log into an alt who is not at war, or if there are none, start a buddy account so they can create some that are not at war. Or just play a different game for the duration.

Again, you cannot force a player to log in.

People who do not like war not saying they do not like multiplayer games, they just do not want to participate in this one particular type of multiplayer interaction. Eve is such a wide open game that it has far far more ways of interaction.