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Should jumpgates in hisec be restricted by sec status?

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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#1 - 2013-03-06 23:59:14 UTC
Should jumpgates in hisec be restricted by sec status?

just as an example:

-10 unable to activate anything leading into .5 and above
-9 unable to activate anything leading into .6 and above
-8 unable to activate anything leading into .7 and above
-7 unable to activate anything leading into .8 and above
-6 unable to activate anything leading into .9 and above

Dosen't matter what you are in, pod or not, you just can't activate the gate.

Why would Concord allow an outlaw into hisec at all? You want to come in, go kill a bunch of of stuff for us first to prove we can trust you.

Or an alternative Concord could let the -10ers jump in then podkill them on sight. I mean really they are supposed to be the worst of the worst.

You can still go gank the noob in his shiny new hulk, but you can't do it 200 times in a row without concord saying enough is enough. Well at least until you go kill a bunch of rats for us first :P

Dave Stark
#2 - 2013-03-07 00:00:37 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
noob in his shiny new hulk,


isn't that an oxymoron?
MastaKari
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-03-07 00:09:30 UTC
no, for that to be an oxymoron it would be a newb in his hulk.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-07 00:09:34 UTC
Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

So, you want to restrict pirates into single lowsec systems? Sounds a lot like you just want CCP to change the game to suit you at the expense of other ways of playing.

What stops me from just staying in a system and having an alt bring my catalysts to pop all your Hulks? Nothing. Podkill? I'll just set my clone to the system. Remember kids, highsec is 100% safe from meanbears!

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Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#5 - 2013-03-07 00:11:22 UTC
No. Hi sec PVP should stop being nerfed. This isn't Wendy-house-online, right?

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BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#6 - 2013-03-07 00:14:14 UTC
Please just stop
Zhade Lezte
#7 - 2013-03-07 00:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhade Lezte
Why should CONCORD be able to respond to capsuleer aggression with overwhelming, unstoppable force in seconds yet be unable to clear pirate frigates from the belts, or pirate battleships from highsec missions, proceeding to instead pay missioners ridiculous amounts of bounties to do it for them?

Basically try again, but this time try to convince us not by some arbitrary definition of "realism" in a game with so many holes in such but with an argument of why this would make eve online a more interesting game to play.

(Not that I think making hisec even safer would be at all good for the game, but at least you'd be arguing in a somewhat grounded manner!)
Galenwade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-07 00:15:51 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:



Why would Concord allow an outlaw into hisec at all? You want to come in, go kill a bunch of of stuff for us first to prove we can trust you.






Concord don't care , they are not there to make you safe they are there to curb stomp you when you are bad.

Hi-Sec faction navy are the police and they are about as effective as a Civilian Gatling cannon on a iteron
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-03-07 00:16:29 UTC
Agent Lazuli
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-03-07 00:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Agent Lazuli
Pewty McPew wrote:
You can still go gank the noob in his shiny new hulk, but you can't do it 200 times in a row without concord saying enough is enough. Well at least until you go kill a bunch of rats for us first :P


Have you purchased a mining permit Pewty?

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-03-07 02:25:50 UTC
I approve of this idea.
And to simplify traffic control can move the person to the appropriate security the next time they log in.

Besides what is wrong with ratting?
You make ISK while doing it and unless you get stuck in one system (to which I will say plan better and bla blah I'll take all your stuff, yes), you can get your sec status back in 2 days of minor work or a few hours if serious.
Also dont you guys already work primarily in .5 sec, go after even fewer targets due to buffs and now global flags, and bump now because you cant find something better to make people rage over for 17.50 a month?
Like getting really good at a COD game and listen to the sweet sweet vulgar tears of those you crush?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2013-03-07 02:37:16 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:
Should jumpgates in hisec be restricted by sec status?

just as an example:

-10 unable to activate anything leading into .5 and above
-9 unable to activate anything leading into .6 and above
-8 unable to activate anything leading into .7 and above
-7 unable to activate anything leading into .8 and above
-6 unable to activate anything leading into .9 and above

Dosen't matter what you are in, pod or not, you just can't activate the gate.

Why would Concord allow an outlaw into hisec at all? You want to come in, go kill a bunch of of stuff for us first to prove we can trust you.

Or an alternative Concord could let the -10ers jump in then podkill them on sight. I mean really they are supposed to be the worst of the worst.

You can still go gank the noob in his shiny new hulk, but you can't do it 200 times in a row without concord saying enough is enough. Well at least until you go kill a bunch of rats for us first :P

Make highsec safer.

I agree with this.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#13 - 2013-03-07 02:48:54 UTC
Yea we shouldn't be allowed anywhere tbh, never mind high sec.

Do I get a prize or something for agreeing?

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-03-07 02:53:57 UTC
Pewty McPew wrote:


You can still go gank the noob in his shiny new hulk, but you can't do it 200 times in a row without concord saying enough is enough. Well at least until you go kill a bunch of rats for us first :P



The ganker would start finding way to supply themself without the need to use a jump gate.

Oh wait...
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-03-07 02:56:32 UTC
If players with negative security status can't get into hisec, why would pirate NPCs be able to?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#16 - 2013-03-07 02:59:07 UTC
Andski wrote:
If players with negative security status can't get into hisec, why would pirate NPCs be able to?

Because they are NPCs. Not unlike the NPCs that make tons of top-grade stations, and then let you use all their manufacturing slots and stuff for really little...

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-03-07 02:59:08 UTC
Andski wrote:
If players with negative security status can't get into hisec, why would pirate NPCs be able to?


Well because just like stations, NPC ships are better of course. Are you sure you understand how this game works right now?
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-03-07 03:08:58 UTC
Andski wrote:
If players with negative security status can't get into hisec, why would pirate NPCs be able to?

They actually are all equipped with point to point jump drives.
Scram one some time and wait.
It will warp off no matter how much you scram it.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#19 - 2013-03-07 03:13:58 UTC
Pilots with low sec status are already flagged for PvP when they enter hisec. You can shoot them with no consequences from CONCORD because the pilot is blinky red.

We don't need any extra mechanisms to keep pirates out of hisec. Losing access to NPC stations when you upset them greatly would be a good idea, perhaps (e.g.: if you are a mission runner and have severely bad standings with Amarr, why would you be allowed to dock at their stations?)

Losing the ability to travel just because you're -10 is insane: how will a pirate leave hisec after a suicide gank?
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#20 - 2013-03-07 03:16:10 UTC
Too limiting to the sandbox.....

But I'm all for a inspection hold of a few seconds at a gate if the status is too low, and the system status being jumped into is too high.....Lol




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