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Russian Roulette - CCP vs. Goonswarm
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Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#101 - 2011-10-28 15:03:39 UTC
I wonder whether Stanziel and Apostle are secretly some goon's alt meant to spew out such stupid and ridiculous **** that it actually helps to increase the popularity of Mittens by making his detractors seems far less intelligent by comparison. If this is the case, theyre succeeding wonderfully.
Reislier
#102 - 2011-10-28 15:05:08 UTC
Lots of conspiracy theories here.. and here's mine Cool

It does seem that high sec is evolving into something more in favor of the high sec dwellers.. whatever..
Past history suggests this is not the preference of CCP Hilmar, but this is October and CCP accounts receivables necessarily have a significant voice today. Now that is not theory.

A conspiracy theorist.. like me.. might suggest that the campaigns in high sec are theater to mitigate the outrage that some may feel toward what they consider "dumbing down the game". If subscription income from high sec is a significant block of revenue.. and it is.. then.. if it was me. I would step in with my godly dev powers and smite all of you back to wagons and horses. That is why my wife tells me I should not own guns.

But CCP.. what would they do? Is preferable to not outrage any more than is absolutly necessary. I do hope they have been studying the finesse books that all of us should have been posting them.

Why not manufacture threats to high sec to provide justification to step in to alter game mechanics in favor of the highest revenue block of players? Direct intervention would be like screaming fire in a dark theater so enlisting the aid of an influential resident sociopath (no offense) to upset the villiagers migh be plausable..

So.. it's obvious.
High sec subscriptions count. "what? don't leave."
High sec customers are profitable. "CCP needs moar monies."
CCP Hilmar is doing Mittani. "do something that I can't do.. huggie muffin."
Mittani threatens high sec. "I don't like them anyway.. my leetle cupcake."
The crowd in null roars.. "moar moar moar."
Now CCP alters high sec mechanics. (we must take care of our high sec customers.. I mean players.)
The crowd in high sec is confused.. "you're being nice to us?"
The crowd in null grumbles.. "well they were getting beat up.. but they should be beat up.)
The crowd in high sec is confused.. "you're being nice to us?"

Expect more in favor of high sec.. they have moar monies.

Maybe toll gates to high sec.
Please empty your pockets into the basket then step thru the scanner.. and yes..
I see that torpedo in your butt.

Makes perfect sense to me this morning.. after my coffee.. possibly not..
If it mattered more to me I might make more sense.

Graphs at CCP will dictate what happens with the politics and mechanics in game.

Anything else is just noise.

Be nice. If nice not work, be civil. If civil not work, beat with iron pipe till bloody and still.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#103 - 2011-10-28 15:12:43 UTC
Posting in a dark elf thread.

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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#104 - 2011-10-28 15:33:32 UTC
Seriously, both sides need to just shut the **** up.

HTFU "leet pvpers" I'm tired of hearing you ***** and moan about nonconsensual PvP. I'm sorry the EASIEST kills ever (might) be taken away from you.

Miners, stop bitching and moaning, and do something for once.

What is wrong with the Eve community? I've played several MMO's and the amount of crying is nothing like this. I wish CCP would introduce T2 tampons or something.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2011-10-28 15:45:17 UTC
This is one of those threads that lowers the collective IQ of the entire human race.

Please, think of the children and stop now.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#106 - 2011-10-28 16:00:46 UTC
Botleten wrote:
I wonder whether Stanziel and Apostle are secretly some goon's alt meant to spew out such stupid and ridiculous **** that it actually helps to increase the popularity of Mittens by making his detractors seems far less intelligent by comparison. If this is the case, theyre succeeding wonderfully.


It's working, I'm probably going to vote for The Mittani next election. People just won't come up with hysterical conspiracy theories for anyone else.
countertroll
Doomheim
#107 - 2011-10-28 16:15:33 UTC
OP, you simultaneously say the changes to wardecs end danger and risk in hisec and that the Goons are ganking people in hisec. Congratulations on contradicting yourself.
Amro One
One.
#108 - 2011-10-28 16:24:51 UTC
BARBIE WANTS CHOSE Of BRAS TO WEAR FROM THE NeX STORE.
Ramalama Dingdongdo
Doomheim
#109 - 2011-10-28 16:31:18 UTC
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when people are either egotistical-attention-getters (oh, oh, let’s see how much forum action I can generate) or self-serving-ostriches (well that doesn’t fit my view of the world so I’ll ignore/attack it) … I just can’t decide if this whole Russian Roulette concept is the former or the latter.

If you consider the EVE sandbox based on a 3-axis model of: high-low play time; high-low risk; and high-low ego – then there’s a place for everyone in the EVE universe (OBTW these are human nature factors not EVE Universe factors – how they’re implemented makes them EVE Universe) … if you’re a low-time, low-risk, high-ego – then go build a hi-sec trading/indy/mining corp -> change to high-time, change corp to alliance/empire … if you’re a high-time, high-risk, high-ego – then go dominate large amounts of real-estate in low/null … but don’t complain when nobody wants to play with you because you trash them as soon as they enter or space … or … complain about buffing non-consensual pvp in hi-sec that will ‘ruin the game’.

Sandbox doesn’t mean ‘anything everywhere’ it means ‘anything within the limits/rules of this area of space’. The concept that carebears should be forced to take more risks or that griefers can get away within anything in hi-sec without consequences negates not enhances the fundamental concepts of the sandbox.

I for one will continue to play EVE as long as the ‘anything everywhere’ homogeneity doesn’t become the norm … when it does, I’m outta here.

WRT Goon vs CCP … the non-homogeneous sandbox allows for but doesn’t force players to confront and repeal the efforts of Goonswarm … the only real question is: when the antics of the goons have reached a point that players are not curbing them AND they are having an impact on the overall real/perceived sandbox – does CCP step-in and do something about it – and this is a moronic question in the first place because obviously CCP will step-in in order to either protect their RL company or for the sack of the wonderful game and concepts they have created that have changed the gaming world. I don’t care which as long as they do.
Handsome Hussein
#110 - 2011-10-28 16:38:34 UTC
Ramalama Dingdongdo wrote:
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised when people are either egotistical-attention-getters (oh, oh, let’s see how much forum action I can generate) or self-serving-ostriches (well that doesn’t fit my view of the world so I’ll ignore/attack it) … I just can’t decide if this whole Russian Roulette concept is the former or the latter.

Stanziel is most definitely the former.

Oh ****, I'm feeding him... Oops

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2011-10-28 16:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Rhinanna wrote:
So basically, because CCP acknowledged that the War-dec system was screwed and gave people a work until they fix it, that means there is a grand conspiracy......

Why do people assume CCP is going to fix wardec mechanics? They've made no such suggestion. If they had any inclination to fix the mechanics, at all, they would have announced that intention when they made their policy change.

And yeah, it's reasonable to assume they have no intention to fix the mechanics since they've been completely mum on the issue for 3 weeks.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2011-10-28 16:43:43 UTC
HyperZerg wrote:
Easy one, remove Concord [or cripple them hard] and eve dies.

Far back in the past [even before my time] there was no Concord. Only few new people arrived. Then they added Concord and the subscriber count "exploded". Do you really thing CCP would remove Concord and kick out half of the eve-population ?

No one is suggesting that CONCORD be removed. It shouldn't be buffed though. There are other things that can be done to make ganking less of an issue than making it downright impossible to do. Remove some of the profitability from ganking (no insurance payout if you're killed by CONCORD, for instance.)
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2011-10-28 16:47:50 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
However, your blog does seems to imply that fundamentally changing the "sandbox" to exclude non-consensual PVP as a bad thing for the game. Honestly, I see it as a positive move for the future of the game. There are more successful MMO's out there that cultivate a certain portion of their playerbase as carebears. The more successful MMO's that do this certainly outnumber the MMO's that don't.

Why does EVE suddenly need to be like other MMOs. We have the community we do, because we aren't like other MMOs. We don't need to cookie-cutter it up.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2011-10-28 16:58:46 UTC
countertroll wrote:
OP, you simultaneously say the changes to wardecs end danger and risk in hisec and that the Goons are ganking people in hisec. Congratulations on contradicting yourself.

I said there are only two forms of non-consensual PvP in highsec. The wardec and ganking.

CCP has already "fixed" the wardec mechanic, making non-consensual PvP via that method a dead-end. Now all they have to do is "fix" ganking, and then highsec becomes the risk-free zone that every carebear wants.
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#115 - 2011-10-28 16:59:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Mandelor
I went to reply to one of these points, but right as I opened the reply window I heard a strange noise coming from outside my window.

Curiously, an orange cat was shrieking at the top of his cat lungs, experiencing a horrific case of shotgun diarrhea, going through at least 8 rounds. The cat then stopped and looked at me, so I went back to reply to an idea again, and lo and behold it started all over again.

I'm sure the condition of that poor animal was not directly related to the existence of this thread.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#116 - 2011-10-28 17:00:05 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
Why does EVE suddenly need to be like other MMOs. We have the community we do, because we aren't like other MMOs. We don't need to cookie-cutter it up.

Why is it they manage to say one smart thing right when you give up hope?

dammit, I wanted to troll this one more too, now I have to wait for the next stupid thing said to move(should be about 30 seconds)

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#117 - 2011-10-28 17:01:30 UTC
Next candidate to get my vote is the one who suggests making null sec gates one-way systems.

AK

This space for rent.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2011-10-28 17:48:46 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
... highsec players are surprisingly vocal...


...and numerous.. they are the majority of players in this game.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#119 - 2011-10-28 17:51:36 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
No one is suggesting that CONCORD be removed.

I am. I hate when I'm trying to help some clueless player quit mining by blowing up his mining ship and concord swoops in and blows me up for no reason.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2011-10-28 17:55:41 UTC
Red Templar wrote:
Lord Mandelor wrote:
I'd also like for you to add on my personal theory of how The Mittani has personally been training bears to fly Thrashers for the Red Alliance.

That is actually absolutely true. He even trains them to post on boards. Just look at me.



I can see he also pulls their teeth and drill holes in their noses for a leash.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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