Skill Discussions

Why duel? If you want to prove your point, beat him at what his main is good at.

If that's PvP by all means duel. If it's mining, beat him at ISK/h, likewise if it's mission running.

If you can do that with your 2 week old character, then and only then will you have proven your point.

Even if CCP decided to give new accounts All Level V skills and a 500 billion ISK wallet, newbies would still get their azzes handed to them in combat. They wouldn't have the first clue how to use those skill points and ISK to get what they want out of the game, and would soon be broke and extremely frustrated. There would be cries of cheating and haxxorz ... after all, how can a character with All Level V skills be beaten by a character with only 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 million SP? You know ... somebody who actually earned those skill points over time while playing the game and learning all about it? Or if they wanted to mission ... how could a character with All Level V skills get pwned by mission rats? I'm quite sure a lot of them would lose expensive ships doing missions.

Earning skill points over time gives new players a chance to learn more about the game. This makes it so character skill doesn't out-progress player knowledge/skill.

And to the poster who requested a one-month double boost to skill points earned for new accounts? They tried that already. People complained bitterly when their boosted time was up, even though it was quite clearly stated that it was for a limited time only. You could even combine the boost with a Cerebral Accelerator to REALLY get that learning going. The complaining about what amount of time the boosts should be for led to CCP taking it out of the game.

And as far as the "baseline skills" go ... they had that in the previous version of character generation. New characters started out with over 800,000 skill points, and depending on your choices you could even start out with a couple of skills at V.

All I am seeing is excessive use of the word "give."

Sorry high-sec is already far too easy. There are some things not everyone can do. I hope CCP keeps EVE this way.

lol Wow. Troll much? Or are you getting mad for no reason whatsoever?

The "mechanisms" that need getting used to don't stop after a certain amount of time.

For mission-running, there's the transition from L1 to L2 missions, from L2 to L3 missions, from L3 to L4 missions, and learning that some missions within the same level are much harder than others. Then there's the epic arcs and COSMOS missions.

Other parts of the game are similar, with thresholds to pass at various points.

The game isn't rocket science. It's spreadsheets. Not everyone gets spreadsheets.

Obvious troll is obvious.

If you want to be of some use with <1 mil sp, join one of the huge nullsec corps (like goonswarm) and become a tackler in pvp! They'll replace the lost ships, which are very cheap anyway, and you have an extremely crucial role in the fleet - without you there would be no engagement.

To be useful, all you need is:

Racial Frig 3 (for a decent t1 frig hull)
Racial Weapons 1 (so you can have a small sting) - get this for free
Spaceship Command 1 - get this for free
Electronics 3
Propulsion Jamming 1
Navigation 3
Afterburner 3
High Speed Manoeuvring 1


and tank skills,

Armour Tank (recommended due to midslots being used for tackling) -

Hull Upgrades 1
Mechanics 1 - get this for free

All that will take you less than a day to train, and you will be useful. All you need is a willingness to learn!

Hey, thought I'd chime in....

First off I start with, you are a very ignorant. Just looking at some of your replies makes me cringe.

Guess what, I'm a 2 month old pilot and I certainly don't feel that I'm being hindered by the "skill barrier." I bet your just some kid who has played in many other various MMO's or FPS games, downloaded cheats and was given everything on a silver platter!

Take the time to realise that this game requires "work" to get rewards. The sooner you realise that, the sooner you'll be better off. If you don't like it, find another game to play.

Stop whining.

EDIT: 1 1/2 years...... lol what a joke. What kinda skill plan you go there?

Can i please have your job? You seem to get paid for breathing. On the other hand..no thanks, I can't imagine that gets paid well.

This is a discussion about SP generation. The only requirement for that is maintaining a subscription.
Which is a weird definition of 'work'.

Yes, mining was part of the things conceded as being possible for newbies. Your point?

Again, how many people do you think are going through the world saying "Man, i REALLY need to find a game where i can fly a ship into a belt of asteroids and check every 3 minutes if i need to restart my mining lasers."



That said, I DID actually learn enough mining skills for 1000m3/h to both Alts when the new AI came up and my tank+DPS scheme stopped working for lvl4 missions, so i'd have a basic emergency fallback option. But then I was already invested into the game at that point.

However, starting the game with the prospect of being limited to mining for reliable ISK generation for 150+ days (a realistic period for the initial int/mem mapping for basic skill coverage IMO)? Not something I'd expect to hook a lot of new players to the game.

That's complete bull. I'm already past the steepest climb in the SP wall, and if you actually READ my post, you would have realized that i'm also willing to temporarily put up with mining as an alternative ISK generator.



We're talking about new players who - as I clearly outlined above - will often automatically set their eyes on a lvl4 mission running battleship and are likely to quit once they realize their goal is so far removed.

And what's worse: the more desirable players - those with half a brain who are able to optimize an EVEmon skillplan with a balance of short-term and long term goals - will be desillusioned MORE than the morons who just skill whatever they fancy right now without worrying about remaps.


Telling an aspiring battleship pilot to spend half a year mining as one of only a few ways to generate the ISK needed for playing speaks of a severe lack of empathy on your part, bordering on sociopathy.

Telling the same player he could be the tackle monkey for a bunch of PvP maniacs, so THEY can have their fun seems borderline psychotic. It would also be news to me, if the nullsec alliances searching for new players that serve as tacklers are willing to finance the PLEX for those players each month, but i'm more than willing to stand corrected there if i'm wrong.

I think the "elitest jerks" are the ones with so little faith in the people who are new players.