Science & Industry

Do many of you do it?

I've currently got a POS setup in a C1 (I know, but I'm new to WH's) and I've got my Mackinaw in and ready at the POS.

In relation to Low-sec mining, is WH mining relatively safe? While I can go hours without seeing anybody in the C1, there was an occasion last night where i picked up a Rapier on D-scan. As soon as I saw probes I warped back to POS.

I assume Low-sec is busier, and D-scan less useful for situations like this?

I came on an hour later and there was nothing on D-scan. They were hanging around though (cloaked), presumably waiting for me. I got away, again, luckily. Is this common in WH space? Would I be better off moving to null/low-sec to find the rarer minerals? I'm just after some personal experiences from the mining community on WH mining and if any of you are crazy enough to do it?! What do you do to keep safe aside from constantly spamming D-scan?

Use a Cloacky alt to sit at the Static WH and listen for traffic. Have some probes and scan in intervals for new WHs if they appear. D-scan is for the paranoia :D

From what I've been reading, it's a little safer than lowsec.

Less traffic, no local. Just spam D-scan, don't afk, and be prepared to warp to a safe/PoS as soon as you see combat probes on D-scan.

It's "safer" because of lower activity of other players, but chances are the moment a player does enter the wormhole they are going to be searching for you.

I wold strongly suggest you use a retriever for a little while to test it out. If you do not have a max boosting Orca and not have Exhumers V the difference in yield is marginal. The additional yield per hour over a retriever is something like 60 hours of mining to cover the additional costs of the Mackinaw.

Ive seen that about warping to statics and other wh, but how did you ever confirm that behavior?

I did not know that.

So even if I scan down the N110 WH but don't warp to it, it will not have a K162 on the other end in high sec?

Yesterday there was just one WH in the system and it was an N110, if I hadn't have warped to it I assume my system would be completely secure?

Thats not quite what i asked and not proving/disproving anything.

do you have any linkable proof that warping to a wh opens a k162 if no one has gone through it?

There are links where people confirm it. But I can confirm this as well.

I have lived several months in a C1 with static HiSec with one of my alts (only me inside). Just left that WH 3 weeks ago. And I was doing all anomalies and all sites in that WH and only left the wormhole, when the corporation hangar was filled completely. I was not only every day, just randomly when I had nothing else important to do.

That means I was doing first all combat and archeology sites and anos. Second priority have been the ladar sites and at the end I was mining in the gravimetric sites.

I can confirm that the K162 is only established, when you activate the warp to the new static exit! That's 100% correct! It's enough to initiate the warp. Even if you cancel it immeditael the K162 was already formed!

I can assure this, because my WH had as well only 1 static and when there was no need to move into hisec I never activated the static exit. And when I came back 2 or 3 days later the scanned static exit was still at the same spot (made a bm) as 3 days earlier. As K162 only have a life span of max 24h this is the explaination and confirmation why this way of making your WH a little bit more safe is working as described above. Whenever you activate a static exit it will crash within 24h and you have to scan for the new one.

So when I was doing my scan 3 days later and had only 1 WH on my scan list still at the same spot as before I knew that in 95% - 99% nobody had activated it in the meantime and I am a little more safe than in any other case. When the WH was activated by myself or somebody else the traffic was much higher (depending on where it was going into HiSec). I was one time 3 jumps from Jita away. I logged off after 2 hours of sitting in front of POS cloaked ;)

And at that point you can feel quite safe warping into your gravimetric site and remember to push D-Scan ever minute 1 time or so, because in that case when somebody from another incoming WH activated your static and crashed his own later on (chance are very small though) and you see scan probes on the scan you have enough time to warp to your POS.

Hope I could explain it a little bit. I was asking the same question like you and searched the internet, found some statement, but finally felt better when I could try it by myself.

Nevertheless in your WH every second an incoming WH can spawn. But it never happend when I was online during my "short" WH life. It has always been there when I was doing my scan after logging in.

One advice: I always logged off in a cov-ops ship and activated cloak immediately when I was online, so chances are smaller that possible enemies in my WH did know I am online. Then I was doing 1 dscan. It happened 1 time there was another incoming wormhole and one guy from that wormhole was harvesting a ladar site I had scanned down several hours ago. I blew him up including pod as he was not really paying attention it seems.

I personally have lost one Catalyst (Salvager) to a Rapier during my time in the wormhole, so your Rapier pilot was very bad I have to say, that he didn't catched you the second time!

So always be careful and/or accept loosing your ship from the beginning.

I have been using a Retriever by the way for mining in WH, as I wouldn't have had any chance of getting it out when I decided to leave the WH again, so it was from the beginning a loss even though it survived the whole time.

Not really, no. I used to do something like this...

Step 1: Find a definitely-occupied-by-active-players-WH.
Step 2: Scan down all the sites and bookmark them (usually "grav-1, grav-2, ladar-1, ladar-2, etc...)
Step 3: Wait. :D Now that I know all of the possible places you could go, I don't need anything more than d-scan to find you. Hulk on d-scan? Check the gravs.

It's the one thing I really don't do in my hole. IMO it's very risky. However, if I were to do it, I would close any open holes and then leave probes out to watch for new sigs. The reason being is........

How I kill miners is I go into connecting holes in the morning and I scan the whole thing down while its inhabitants are offline. Then I sit there afk while I'm working and hit dscan on occasion. If barges show up I already know where they will be as I have BM'd the grav sites already. You would have no chance.

If you closed the connecting holes my evil little plan wouldn't work so well (or you would trap me in there and I'd kill you anyway but I'd be screwed).