EVE General Discussion

True =(

But then, it seems all the posts from them always degenerate into name calling and trolling to wreck a thread only to have a new one get created so they can complain there's "another".

A shame really. 15% of their members who actually do post here can be informative.

I dont see why a sov POS couldnt be grown to a large size surpassing the benefits of a highsec POS, maybe if your corp/alliance controls the system you are able to double or perhaps triple its capability, faster production, more runs and better research, of course it woudld require investment as well. Something more than just buying extra POS hardware. Though i Also dont know if such a thing as sov exists in lowsec however as the topic only stated null v high where i know sov does happen, why not make upgraded POS's a benefit. Givesome reason to actually fight for space other than obligatory explosions

The potential is there, but at the cost of many man-hours of refuelling, moving parts from POS to POS, setting the things up which is an awful way to spend a day, the setup costs, the maintenace costs... I could go on. Meanwhile in highsec, you go to your free NPC station & pay a miniscule amount of isk & start generating immediate profit. For us to reproduce the industrial capabilities of 1 highsec station, you're looking at around 20 POS towers, which is a logistical nightmare to setup & maintain, plus the profit potential is very low. It's no wonder the only things that get produced out in nullsec are supercaps.

We do haul out pretty much everything with JF's but it shouldn't be that way. A POS revamp such as the one Malcanis & Mynna have been flirting with would give us the option of having decent industry (or other) capabilities if we chose to dump trillions of isk in to them. These would be destructable & bring more people back to nullsec.

CCP has a habit of looking at the numbers & ignoring what people say. People don't use POS's right now in big numbers because they are absolutely awful to setup & maintain, anyone who has tried it knows this.

Highsec production costs & tax are minuscule compared to what nullsec residents have to pay, on top of that we have other costs that completely trump those & for all that isk spent, we get a tiny portion of the industrial capabilities of 1 highsec station.

True but they are the equivalent costs. I don't think anyone is arguing that the additional cost of having to conduct industry in null is worth it by comparison to high-sec once you account for everything or that it shouldnt be changed. Just that that change shouldn't be nerfing high-sec.

I'd fix it with: SOV owner gets to set who gets to use the space elevator/launchpads to get stuff into orbit. So if you lose sov, you can lose access to the storage

I suppose that works, I like your idea of breaking up station manufacturing slots by type. I'm starting to think that forcing high-sec industry to POSes would make for a decent compromise that might satisfy all parties (at least to a certain extent).

My point is that its just a function of geography. If those systems weren't located where they are they wouldn't be as populated. If you added another 500k players to the game, I bet there would be a bunch of additional distribution points. Right now the only reason there aren't more is because its not profitable enough, there aren't enough players willing to pay you a premium so they don't have to go as far as one of the existing hubs (since its impossible to be very far from any of them and still be in high sec) for it to be profitable enough to the playerbase to encurage them to open more. If it weren't just a function of geography then Yulai would never have died.....

"Decent compromise" isn't quite the phrase I'd use to describe something that wouldn't nerf, but instead end my gameplay entirely. In fact, the most enlightening thing I've garnered from this discussion thus far is that null players don't want to do their own industry in POS's - not because of the inherent risks - (they have POS's anchored now) but because it's a logistical nightmare. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suppose that a highsec player manufacturing items in the space of all 4 races, across multiple regions, would probably be equally put off from using POS's for industry - and ironically for the very same reasons.

YK

Null's not meant to be harder, its meant to require you to be more self sufficient. You should start with less capability than high-sec but be able to build a greater capability. At least thats the intent (I believe).