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I received a long winded e-mail about how unfair Incursions groups are, with their limited fitting requirements and way too expensive ships. I didn’t want to name and shame the guy but I wanted to address his comments, concerning access to incursions.

My fit is more expensive that anyone else’s with its set of faction guns.
Why should I be screened for PVE?
I don’t care if you require T2 my Faction fit is better.

First of all the ability to have a faction fitted ship is not as important as the ability to have a T2 fitted ship. This is due to the standard of lying in EVE, pretty much everyone knows that T2 fittings have benefits and downfalls, the point being that if you train for them then the drawbacks are negated by the training.

Yes I could use the T2 guns as an example but TP’s are easier to point out the differences:
Target Painter II will give you a target painter that uses 25% less cap and gives you a 37.5% boost to targets sig, without training for the T2 a faction module will give 30% boost. So for effectively 1000% more ISK you get the same benefits as a T1 Target painter. Since training for the Faction TP will take 24 hours or less, and training for the T2 will take 4 days give or take, it tends to throw some doubt in a person’s abilities. Now of course once the training for the T2 is complete the Faction TP gives 40% boost. So having a faction module on your ship does not make you good, nor does it prove you’re bad.

This example applies to pretty much everything EVE. You can fly it, but should you. Pirate faction BS’s are not immune to this principle but their cost tends to create the perception of a skilled well rounded toon. On numerous occasions I find myself talking to someone that has a Machariel and it is doing under 900 dps, some laughably so; hardly worth the 1.3 billion invested in the hull.

Higher end Incursion communities are strict about T2 guns, because the whole point of the group is to lay down as much DPS as it is possible to assemble in a numerically limited fleet. Ideally a 12 man fleet should bring 10,000 dps damage, and 6,000dps (modified by resists) Logistics power to a VG site. If you start throwing the Variables of faction guns in, then that number can fall quite quickly.

There are groups that run Incursions that accept everything and at all skill levels. Those groups are great for learning the ropes and getting a handle on the whole concept. Joining those groups is not in insult, it is not a waste of time, it is necessary to not be the one that brings down the group just so you can make ISK. When you have skilled then you will be equally defensive of your ISK making group, and screen accordingly.

As a lower skilled character but meeting the minimum requirements with resistances all t2 except for guns....what are the chances of getting into noob incursions? Should I specialize as something like a sniper? Also do most incursions not pick anything other than BS, SC, and logi? Could someone get picked up in a BC with a decent fit?

I only ask because it seems like people do consider these.

BC's tend to have limited range and small buffers (compared to BS's) so you will find that FC's are shy about inviting them. No FC wants to be responsible for losing your ship. That being said Assault systems have a special niche for cruisers and BattleCruisers, the NCN site requires 5 minimum (In my experience) to complete the cruiser side of the site.

So yes your BC will be very welcome in communities that run these sites, but you should probally plan on getting a BS to be accepted in the majority of the sites that fleets concentrate on.

I gave some basic advice in the OP on what they are and how to get into a fleet. But to recap:

Subscribe to as many Incursions channels as you can stand (listed in the OP).
look for a group that forms up and flies durring the times you are on.
Look for a group that flies what you do, Armor/Shield, T1/Navy/Pirate.
let them know that your interested, and ask what they expect you to bring.

You will find Incrursions to be profitable, but your first few weeks of running them might be more about playing catch-up, as most communities will ask you to change your fittings either through uprgades or training.

Of course there is a chance you have the perfect Incursion ship out of the gate.

Afterthought: Yes post your fit in the channel and an FC will invite you when he sees it is up to spec, and that he has a spot for you in fleet.

Rokh is welcome in Incursions fleets?

Added LV6's Public channel to OP

Been looking at getting into Incursions and have almost finished training down two separate ship lines, so wanted to get some advice.

Shield fleets seem to be the most popular, if your list is any indication, but I've seen a lot of traditionally-armor-tanked ships run perfectly fine shield buffer fits for Incursions. So my question is: Would I have better luck getting into a fleet with a Maelstrom, or a Megathron, assuming both were T2 fit?

(On another note, ACs or Artis on the Maelstrom?)

Evening. I have a character that I'm going to move into logistics for small gang work and I would like to get her doing some incursion logi if at all possible. I am currently leaning towards the Scimitar because I like the versatility and it just works better for the type of small gang stuff my friends and I will be doing. So my question is if there is a place for Scimi's in incursions? Or should I just go for a Basi if I want to run pve stuff?

Regards,

Thank you for your response and your time performing this valuable service to the community. Very happy to know the scimi is welcome in incursions. I've gathered that Logi 5 was pretty non-negotiable and have already incorporated it into my skill plan.

Regards,