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High sec, get ready to be represented! James 315 announced his candidacy for CSM 8 in Brapelille!!!
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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#181 - 2013-03-05 02:36:05 UTC
I would support, but then he said he would try to get rid of high-sec incursions.

No.

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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#182 - 2013-03-05 02:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Amyclas Amatin
Lugia3 wrote:
I would support, but then he said he would try to get rid of high-sec incursions.

No.


Most PVE makes no sense at all. Just enjoy the money while you can.

High-Sec incursions lack actual risk... and low sec incursions pay a whooping 10% more - wow. (unless you do them only for bp drops) If low-sec incursions paid out say, 1000% more, and could offset the risks of losing fleets, then we'd actively hunt them down and do them.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"
Frying Doom
#183 - 2013-03-05 03:29:27 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money as there are no where near that and frankly I have never been in a system with one of these wonderful cowards.

You really have a fixation on the word 'coward'.

No I suppose I could consult a thesaurus but coward fits well, so why stop using it?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Kainotomiu Ronuken
koahisquad
#184 - 2013-03-05 13:49:05 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Looks like you need to get on to them paying him, his scam money, ooh I mean share money as there are no where near that and frankly I have never been in a system with one of these wonderful cowards.

You really have a fixation on the word 'coward'.

No I suppose I could consult a thesaurus but coward fits well, so why stop using it?

'Coward' gets boring after a certain number of uses and surely, you don't want your posts to be boring?

I took the liberty of thinking of a few alternatives for you:

Lily-livered dog!
Cad!
Craven!
Chicken!
Rabbit!
Wimp!
Yellow-belly!
Scaredy-cat!
Scoundrel!
Faint-heart!
Pusillanimous villain!
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#185 - 2013-03-06 06:31:12 UTC
Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#186 - 2013-03-06 15:09:12 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...


Where's your proof that this will happen? So far, the only time CCP's income has seriously been put at risk was when they elected to focus on a room that doesn't do anything at the expensive of asploding spaceships.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#187 - 2013-03-06 15:39:35 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...


Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#188 - 2013-03-06 19:32:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Wescro
Malcanis wrote:
Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.


I think Retribution heavily promoted the idea of violence against criminals...we know how that turned out...

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#189 - 2013-03-06 19:44:41 UTC
Wescro wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.


I think Retribution heavily promoted the idea of violence against criminals...we know how that turned out...


'Criminal' is such a subjective term Pirate

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#190 - 2013-03-07 00:51:19 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Where's your proof that this will happen?


Well...I think one proof is provided by you in your example of what happened in the incarna disaster:
admiral root wrote:
So far, the only time CCP's income has seriously been put at risk was when they elected to focus on a room that doesn't do anything at the expensive of asploding spaceships.
Yep, CCP screwed up a big change and not-so-good things happened for them IRL. I wonder if that has made them more or less eager to go with big changes? Hasn't CCP announced that they prefer making many smaller changes to their game rather than making big changes all of a sudden? Seems like that might leave a "nuke hisec" platform kind of at odds with CCPs intentions. So proof that CCP has considered that something they might prefer not happen could happen is shown by their actions. Hisec can and in some aspects should change, sure, but it seems highly unlikely that CCP will beat it into the ground with big changes quickly (Nuke hisec! Nerf it hard - for the health of the game! etc etc ).




Malcanis wrote:
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Whether anyone likes it or not, the pesky reality is that CCP is not going to intentionally commit financial suicide as a *gasp* RL business by burning hisec to the ground like J315 and some of you here want, sorry. To think otherwise is just...silly. Reality bites, as they say...


Retribution explicitly promoted PvP in hi-sec, perhaps the first expansion to do so in several years, and the results we have seen would seem to indicate that there is, to put it mildly, untapped demand in this area.


Fine by me. I just don't think CCP is going to mess up it's bread-and-butter area that involves a large part of it's customers in it's bread-and-butter game too badly regardless what any of us say. Changes are needed, but hopefully mostly by buffing low and null greatly...mostly...

Solutions = buff, buff not nerf



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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#191 - 2013-03-07 00:55:43 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Solutions = buff, buff not nerf


I can agree with that sentiment. At least it recognizes the imbalance. The problem is it's been done before with FW rewards. If you reduce the risk for someone to near zero, then their risk-reward ratio becomes nearly infinite, no amount of high reward / high risk game play can beat low reward at NO RISK. And with the way things are going we are heading in that no risk isk machine direction.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Sasha Rama
Doomheim
#192 - 2013-03-07 02:36:53 UTC
James 315 interview:

http://audio.crossingzebras.com/Files/CSM8%20Election%20Interviews_%20James%20315.mp3

He is anti-high sec and will do everything he can to make it a wasteland. He has an invested interest in decimating high sec, by his own admission, he suicide ganks and wardecs miners. He is very clear about taking down the economy. He want's to nerf high sec and make it easier to destroy not only new players, but especially industrialists. If he is elected, he will make high sec a nightmare.

His obssesion with destroying afk miners and other high sec players, directly contradicts any idea of saving high sec. He means to save it for gankers and pirates to frighten and put fear in players. His statement that he is anti-troll is itself, a troll. Defenders of high sec do not taking pleasure in 'collecting' tears from high sec players.

The half hour interview, and the idea of voting him in, will be high secs undoing in many ways. He is not serious about saving anyone, it is clear he intends to undermine and destroy other players with the changes he wants to see put into effect.

Look at his post and get a sense of what kind of candidate he would be, he isen't serious about saving high sec from anything, its propaganda. It isen't broken and no one wants to undo the changes CCP made to high sec.

He will be a terrible CCP rep, make you regret it, and then blog about how happy he is about it. He is quoted as saying "High sec is useful for new players learning to manuever their ship and to commute space to trade hubs, and thats it."
Jeremy Soikutsu
Kite Co. Space Trucking
#193 - 2013-03-07 02:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeremy Soikutsu
Sasha Rama wrote:
If he is elected, he will make high sec a nightmare.

To be fair no he won't. At best CCP will ignore him and he'll be an annoying waste of space, nothing new to the CSM really. At worst he'll just shred the last bit of credibility that the CSM might still have with a lot of people. So you don't need to be that worried.

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Sasha Rama
Doomheim
#194 - 2013-03-07 03:06:01 UTC
Yes, your right.

Why waste your vote.
Wescro2
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2013-03-07 03:19:14 UTC
Sasha Rama wrote:
he suicide ganks and wardecs miners


Sasha Rama wrote:
He is very clear about taking down the economy.


Sasha Rama wrote:
He want's to nerf high sec and make it easier to destroy...new players


Lots of citations needed.
Aglais
Ice-Storm
#196 - 2013-03-07 05:09:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aglais
Sasha Rama wrote:


He is very clear about taking down the economy.

directly contradicts any idea of saving high sec.

Defenders of high sec do not taking pleasure in 'collecting' tears from high sec players.

will be high secs undoing in many ways.

Look at his post and get a sense of what kind of candidate he would be, he isen't serious about saving high sec from anything, its propaganda. It isen't broken and no one wants to undo the changes CCP made to high sec.


Bolded point 1: I have actually engaged in a rational discussion with him. He does not care about the economy. At all. If it burns down because it is built on how stagnant the highsec part of EVE is, well that's just a problem endemic to no-risk-low-reward philosophy inherent in highsec. A great deal of minerals come from highsec. That's because it's the easiest place to get them. There's no reason to go to lowsec for literally the same minerals, if you will have an actual risk of losing them if you go there.

Point 2: He's trying to change the stage of the game. I'm hesitant to use the word 'stagnant' any more as a descriptor, because otherwise it will lose all meaning. Furthermore, he has stated actual plans for altering lowsec and nullsec to make them worth going to. Rather than save highsec, I think he's trying to save the game.

Point 3: They don't. The New Order (through minerbumping.com) exists solely as a channel to illuminate the real issue- People are so expectant that EVE is basically a single player game that they should have no risks in doing anything in, that as soon as anyone so much as breathes on them, they will start flipping out. Which goes to show that with stagnation (There's that magic word again) players will become complacent and refuse any kind of change that could be imposed on them.

Point 4/5: Yes. That's the entire god damn point. Highsec is broken. Look. If people were actually going elsewhere for minerals and selling them on the market to industrialists, then there wouldn't actually be a serious effect on the market from New Order activity. And it seems that since they started up, costs of things have increased. What does that imply? It implies that far too much of the economy is built around how cushy highsec mining is.

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dark heartt
#197 - 2013-03-07 07:45:15 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:

I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.


I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.

I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.

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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#198 - 2013-03-07 07:48:56 UTC
dark heartt wrote:


I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.

I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.


If the base of the pvp food chain, aka the miners and mission runners respond to a loss of their income and move to low/null, so will their predators. This is like Ecology 101. If the prey move to a new habitat, the predators will either die out or follow them. We are smarter than your garden variety sloth, so I think the predators will put 2 and 2 together and follow their prey.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
dark heartt
#199 - 2013-03-07 08:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: dark heartt
Wescro wrote:
dark heartt wrote:


I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets. How does that help that portion of the community. He was pretty clear in the crossing zebras interview that he wants people to go to null, where having that sort of thing happen is rare owing to the fact that the alliances and coalitions tend to protect their miners/mission runners.

I realise that he is coming at this from the point of view that player interaction is key, but it seems that he really hasn't thought it through for the gankers, ninja looters and scammers. He seems to think that the PVP 'food chain' relies on those people being in low or null, but I beg to differ. I have never had issues finding fights if I really want to.


If the base of the pvp food chain, aka the miners and mission runners respond to a loss of their income and move to low/null, so will their predators. This is like Ecology 101. If the prey move to a new habitat, the predators will either die out or follow them. We are smarter than your garden variety sloth, so I think the predators will put 2 and 2 together and follow their prey.


However they won't get far out in null.

Edit: In any case, if he does get elected, its not like anything will actually change if CCP doesn't want it to. The CSM is a sounding board not the be all and end all of decisions at CCP. If CCP wants to neft high to buff null/low, they will do it with or without James 315.

We all know that the CSM's power comes from working together to show CCP what the playerbase wants, not telling CCP how it 'WILL CHANGE.'

http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/
Aiden Lynch
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2013-03-07 08:10:02 UTC
dark heartt wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:

I share his vision of hi-sec where awoxers, scammers, ninja looters and gankers are cherished and respected part of the community (even if its those guys you love to hate) and where no-one is ever "perfectly safe" from player interaction.


I'm going to stop you right there. His plan is to have people leave highsec, where the scammers, ninjalooters and gankers do most of their work and remove those targets.


I still don't understand the logic of this.

His plan is to make High Sec so full of gankers and so dangerous that miners will go....to low/null? Why would a player who didn't like being killed go to a PvPier area of the game? Wouldn't they just play some other game? (Or cease to exist entirely, because of how many of them are alts)?
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