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Has Heth lost it?

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#1 - 2013-03-06 10:10:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
In a recent news article it appears that about 3% of the Caldari upper management have resigned in protest to his actions. Surprised it was only 3%... but anyway...

But then he follows it up with this:

“It seems virtually impossible these were not coordinated attempts to weaken the State. The CPD is already hard at work collecting data on the individuals involved in this so-called protest. There will be significant investigations into all their activities. If a hint of foreign or criminal influence is found, we will not hesitate to act and make examples of those who were involved. Considering the increasingly belligerent language from the Federation recently, I would not be surprised to find it’s the work of Federal black ops.”

He isn't serious, is he? He can't actually believe that the source of all this outrage is anything other than himself? And if he really is that crazy, what can actually be done about it? Is there legal recourse or will it really come down to armed revolt?

Before anyone says it: Why am I bringing this up when I'm not Caldari? Because this is the first I've heard of this news piece. I'd rather see some actual Caldari opinions on this to be honest.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#2 - 2013-03-06 11:05:09 UTC
Of course he is serious. For his entire time in office, he has peddled the notion that the Federation is the problem with the State. That Federal ideas had weakened it. That Federal practices had sapped it of vitality. That every act of corruption in the State was due to an emulation of the Federation. That has been his drumbeat all along. It should come as no surprise at all that he sees new problems and weaknesses as springing from the same well he believes all problems spring forth from.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2013-03-06 11:11:28 UTC
To be honest, the Executor's opinions on the Federation would hold less water if the Federation wasn't attacking us, wasn't underminding us and if her politicians weren't dedicated to selling the idea that our destruction is somehow necessary for Gallente safety.

As for opinions on the latest... Propaganda is hardly limited to the Executor's office. It flows from every political office in every faction. The resignations are significant, but not widespread or persistent to cause serious problems. By next week they will be forgotten.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#4 - 2013-03-06 11:27:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Gwen Ikiryo
I find the comments from Admiral Yanala somewhat disturbing. The State is not a feudal society, and nor are our people slaves to any masters; Save perhaps those of their own choosing. It is a grotesque strech of logic to say that stepping down from ones office for any reason is "treason", so long as they are not held in contract. And if the Executor sees fit to punish them for this act, under some depraved dillusion that he is some sort of Lord reigning in his disobedient subjects, well...

Nevermind - There is nothing more to be said. I wish all those who have felt compelled to step down the best of luck in finding new and gainful employment elsewhere.

As a side note, it should not even matter if Federal Isk drove their decision. The fact that they would be willing to accept it at all only serves to illustrate the loss in confidence in Heth's administration.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-06 13:26:47 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To be honest, the Executor's opinions on the Federation would hold less water if the Federation wasn't attacking us, wasn't underminding us and if her politicians weren't dedicated to selling the idea that our destruction is somehow necessary for Gallente safety.

As for opinions on the latest... Propaganda is hardly limited to the Executor's office. It flows from every political office in every faction. The resignations are significant, but not widespread or persistent to cause serious problems. By next week they will be forgotten.


Tibus Heth and the whole of the Caldari have shown that there simply is no other alternative than absolute absorption into the Gallente Federation, unfortunately. What once was will become again.

The Executor is a madman and his words are laced with hypocrisy, despite this his followers - gullible as they may be - are still very dangerous, going so far as to fire on unarmed civilian protesters and then stating that Mentas Blaque's speech was racist...

As an Intaki, I'm not so keen to forget the Auction of Intaki Prime; territory claimed by Tibus Heth and his "Protectorate". For a man so quick to point the finger he's forgetful of all the historical grievances that he has brought on us all. The only way this war will ever end is if Tibus Heth's reign is over and the corporations begin to have some cohesion, until then any form of peace with the Federation is impossible. How can we reason with a nation who's own corporate heads cannot agree on common terms so fickle as finance, let alone a national cease fire?

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2013-03-06 13:41:45 UTC
The only way a resorption into the Federation will occur is if the Federal Navy breaks CalNav in space beyond the point of resistance and burns every world from orbit.

Some things are mistakes, should never have been and must NEVER be again.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-06 13:50:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The only way a resorption into the Federation will occur is if the Federal Navy breaks CalNav in space beyond the point of resistance and burns every world from orbit.

Some things are mistakes, should never have been and must NEVER be again.


Mistakes are doomed to be repeated if lessons are not learned and feeble minded fools are not removed from power. My point still stands, this war will end one way or another - by the death of an entire nation or by the change of ideals. Gallente value culture and technology, not mindless expanses of financial gain and corporate back-stabbing (though some may surprise you).

Why is it that this man is still in power when he instigated the first attacks on our sovereignty, only to repeat the same process repeatedly as the years have past? He has not stopped with the Federation and it's likely his most recent victims will surely not be his last. He has absolutely no respect for Empyreans, nor the recent surge of planetary clone mercenaries. And while I may question the motive behind this, be it envy or otherwise, there is simply no cause great enough to persist in these ways.

It must stop, and if it saves the lives of more - I will die again and again in effort to make that end.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#8 - 2013-03-06 13:54:52 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:

Gallente value culture and technology, not mindless expanses of financial gain and corporate back-stabbing (though some may surprise you).


The Gallente have this peculiar belief system where they hold that everyone must be free to do what they want, so long as they go about doing it in the same manner as the Gallente.

What I am saying here, captain, is that the Gallente way of doing things is akin to an autonomous hegemonizing swarm.

It's okay, you aren't the only ones.
Simon Coal
Comstock Daze
#9 - 2013-03-06 14:02:33 UTC
I'll admit, I laughed. But really, the Federation isn't nearly as close to the Nation as it serves your purposes to imply. We're far closer to the State than we are to you, to provide an example to calibrate by.
Nomistrav
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-06 14:05:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nomistrav
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Nomistrav wrote:

Gallente value culture and technology, not mindless expanses of financial gain and corporate back-stabbing (though some may surprise you).


The Gallente have this peculiar belief system where they hold that everyone must be free to do what they want, so long as they go about doing it in the same manner as the Gallente.

What I am saying here, captain, is that the Gallente way of doing things is akin to an autonomous hegemonizing swarm.

It's okay, you aren't the only ones.


I fight for the liberty of Intaki Prime, and subsequently her holder - the Gallente Federation. While my loyalty may blind my eyes to another's way of life or his views, I'm not so gullible as to pretend that the Gallente way is the only way.

Just as well, I'm not so foolish to believe that Tibus Heth is the mastermind of attaining a Utopian World. He seems to be going down the same path as Sansha, blunt as his methods may be. His blatant violence is evidence of the police state that he seems to be creating; and I'm sure that the families of the victims he has made casualty would firmly agree, now, that the Federation would be a much better place to become a whistle-blower.

Edit: An addendum: Don't be so canny as to misinterpret me as a mindless sheep of the Federation.. I merely wish that the Silent Auction of Intaki Prime is not something that would ever occur again.

"As long as space endures,

as long as sentient beings exist,

until then, may I too remain

and dispel the miseries of the world."

~ Vremaja Idama

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#11 - 2013-03-06 14:31:11 UTC
Simon Coal wrote:
I'll admit, I laughed. But really, the Federation isn't nearly as close to the Nation as it serves your purposes to imply. We're far closer to the State than we are to you, to provide an example to calibrate by.


I was actually referring to the Amarr, to the Rogue Drones, and yes to ourselves to a degree.

I just find it funny that the Gallente hold to this frankly imperialist method while simultaneously crowing about how free you are to do things.
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#12 - 2013-03-06 14:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Katherine Devonshire
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
I find the comments from Admiral Yanala somewhat disturbing. The State is not a feudal society, and nor are our people slaves to any masters; Save perhaps those of their own choosing. It is a grotesque strech of logic to say that stepping down from ones office for any reason is "treason", so long as they are not held in contract. And if the Executor sees fit to punish them for this act, under some depraved dillusion that he is some sort of Lord reigning in his disobedient subjects, well...


I concur. Running a working feudal society is not something one can learn overnight, and neither the Caldari people nor their culture are very compatible with it. It may seem a paradox, but it disturbs me to see him trying to make his nation into a, if you can forgive my saying, a cheap imitation of our own Great Empire.

We temper our autocracy with Faith, and that is what keeps our ruling houses in check. Humility before God is what keeps our leaders from mistaking themselves for Gods themselves. Without that tempering influence in one's heart... well, one needs only look at Heth himself to see what happens when a leader believes themselves to have no greater power above them.

Since the Caldari tend to eschew religion then it would be best advised that they don't attempt to deify their leaders, or worse - to let them deify themselves. It is a realm that they lack experience in. Perhaps in another thousand years of Amarrian missionaries... but no, now is not the time for a Caldari monarch. Nor anytime soon for that matter.

I much prefer the Caldari to remain different than us for as long as possible, otherwise there will be nothing left for us to learn from them.

More to the point, however, I do not see how he can believe that the direction he is pushing the Caldari State in - namely, pointless war - can possibly be good for his people. What could he possibly stand to gain from it? More money? More authority? He already has plenty of both. That he seems ill-content to sit back and enjoy either is... troubling. There may well indeed be some sort of mental illness at work here; acute paranoia seems to be at the top of the list of suspects, with megalomania not far behind.

In the meantime... perhaps the Empire can find some openings for a large number of former Caldari executives who are now looking for new employers (and to escape Heth's wrath)? Such knowledgeable persons in the realm of business would be a most welcome asset... at least until it is safe for them to return home.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#13 - 2013-03-06 16:29:43 UTC
Nomistrav wrote:

Tibus Heth and the whole of the Caldari have shown that there simply is no other alternative than absolute absorption into the Gallente Federation, unfortunately. What once was will become again.


Every Federation man, woman, child, and blade of grass dead and burning first.
Spike Polaris
BetaMax Beta
#14 - 2013-03-06 17:02:39 UTC
Screw it man, everyone's all like "Man that Tibus is bad juju, he's screwing up everything"
Meanwhile I'm sitting in my Procurer munching on a rueben like "Damn, gotta swap crystals again"
Simon Louvaki
Khaldari InnoTektoniks and Analytical Solutions
#15 - 2013-03-06 17:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Simon Louvaki
Nomistrav wrote:

Tibus Heth and the whole of the Caldari have shown that there simply is no other alternative than absolute absorption into the Gallente Federation, unfortunately. What once was will become again.


Ah, so liberties answer is the forceful subjugation of an entire people based on the musing of a madman? Our nations were getting along relatively fine before the rise of Heth, and if you wish to toss off the impression that the Gallente are the *bane of our problems then you might want to cease such talk.

Nomistrav wrote:

..all the historical grievances...


I believe historical grievances go both ways and remains to be one of the finer points behind Heth's propaganda machine. For all the wrong we've done to each other it might be best to think forward and about how we can mend those wounds, not re-open them.

-- "The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word." - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21

--"At the narrow passage, there is no brother and no friend." - Hyasyoda Proverb

Kithrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-03-06 18:57:41 UTC
I can understand why more Caldari didn't abandon their post as Caldari have a strong bred in mentality of loyalty.

Its a tough time to be sure and I'm sure for the other 97% who didn't resign I would wager half of them thought of it.

Darkness is more then absence of light, it is ignorance and corruption. I will be the Bulwark from such things that you may live in the light. Pray so my arms do not grow weary and my footing remain sure.

If you are brave, join me in the dark.

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#17 - 2013-03-06 19:29:27 UTC
It is impossible to lose what you never had.

And Admiral Yanala should know better than to comment on civilian affairs. It is not the place of the Caldari Navy to interfere in internal corporate matters -- she can have whatever opinions she likes, but as long as she wears the uniform she is to keep them to herself. She is an instrument of the CEP and the naval command structure, and should remember her place. Frankly, if there is anyone committing a crime here, it is her.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-03-06 20:00:56 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
And Admiral Yanala should know better than to comment on civilian affairs. It is not the place of the Caldari Navy to interfere in internal corporate matters -- she can have whatever opinions she likes, but as long as she wears the uniform she is to keep them to herself. She is an instrument of the CEP and the naval command structure, and should remember her place. Frankly, if there is anyone committing a crime here, it is her.


This is consequential from the current environment of the State. I have stated previously that Executor Heth's current position was founded upon popular sentiment from among the Caldari and the Megacorporations, coupled with pressing need at the time and very clever political maneuvering.

The consequence of this reality is that Heth's continued existence as the Executor of the State depends on maintaining the popular support of key elements of the Caldari State, among them: The Navy. This leads to far a more vocal populace and service within the State than in prior times. These outbreaks of protests, riots and public statements are nothing more than symptoms of the State as it currently exists.

Workers become disgruntled and start a protest, this threatens to endanger the popularity of the Executor. These protests are quelled. Corporate executives become disillusioned and resign, this threatens the popularity of the Executor. These resignations are cast in a negative light by the Executor and his task force, suggesting advancement and reward for continued service and loyalty coupled with a vocal and public statement about the continued support of the Navy and the capability and validity of the Executor. These serve to increase the popularity of the Executor.

What the admiral has done is a crime in the tradition of the Caldari, yes. It is a crime borne as a symptom of many far greater crimes, however.

~Malcolm Khross

Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#19 - 2013-03-06 23:16:11 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
What the admiral has done is a crime in the tradition of the Caldari, yes. It is a crime borne as a symptom of many far greater crimes, however.


Then we can add politicization of State institutions to the list of crimes Heth is responsible for. It is strange for a man who so hates the Gallente to turn Caldari institutions into the very pits of disfunction that caused our secession from the Federation so long ago.

This is a man who has warped the Navy and destroyed the authority of the Tribunal. How much longer will our leaders sit idly by and allow this torture of our ideals to continue?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-03-07 02:38:28 UTC
Svetlana Scarlet wrote:
How much longer will our leaders sit idly by and allow this torture of our ideals to continue?


I suggest to you that they aren't just sitting idly by, but like anything worth seeing, you're going to have to look beyond the surface.

~Malcolm Khross

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