EVE General Discussion

Sounds like Miniluv getting some, er, "enemies of the state".

In my opinion empire wars are relatively meaningless anyway and only useful for harassing newbs who do not know better. A NPC corp hauler alt takes what - about 6 hours ? to do for a bestower. It can go up to 20k m3 so you can drag up to BC size stuff around with it (ofc its low hp so suicide gank is a risk).

Established corporations, especially the ones living in null have all the infrastructure already in place to see empire wars as minor inconvinice. NPC corp freighter alts etc.

Exactly the same mechanics is used by "attackers". I highly doubt that majority of wars are fought by people with only a single character on their single account. The "attackers" are using their spare character slots just as freely as "defenders".

So what this leaves then as the main target audience of a empire war. Probably just missionrunners who live full time in hi sec empire and are low enough SP to need company / remote reps to do missions in acceptable time. Mining is in no way affected by the 10% NPC corp tax and getting your booster Orca sorted without a player corp structure is minor hassle at best as you would have to do standings fleet instead of a corp fleet.

Industrial corporations dont need to dock at all as industry happens inside stations and haulers can be in NPC corps as the tax does nothing for them. Trading is unaffected. Ok, R&D corps have also anchored infrastructure usually so they have something to lose.

The "social structure" of a corporation can as easily be emulated by a chat channel.

Let's take a step back, and look at the mechanic of war evasion in it's entirety, without labelling anyone as a "miner" or a "ganker". I'm going to sum up the current state of affairs, you tell me whether this is healthy for New Eden in the long run.



Do you feel this is healthy for New Eden - that everyone who subjects themselves to risk in highsec does so entirely voluntarily, and can turn off his "non-suicide PvP flag" at any time he chooses, at minimal cost? Is this the New Eden you signed up for?

Then why does every single EVE trailer focus on player-generated conflict, instead of showing some footage of some people setting their ice mining lasers then not playing EVE for the next 20 minutes while their cargo fills up? If you are correct, and most people come to EVE to not play single player mining in space, then why doesn't EVE's marketing material and strategy reflect this?

Well theres one trailer showing miners :p Well .. mining ships .. at least, briefly before they do the fireworks.

If I remember correct then approx 90% of active characters live in hi sec - obviously that is not that stellar statistics as in my opinion it underestimates the null/low sec related population. But that is what CCP have claimed they see in their snapshots. However, in the latest CSM minutes it was mentioned that they are looking into starting tracking individual people instead of youst approaching each character logged in as an individual and that might paint a more complete picture probably. Should CCP make that kind of number available.

I would look at it as an ecosystem. You need both predators and prey for a healthy ecosystem and not all predators and preys need to be exactly the same. So you have various classes of both starting with afk iceminers who do so with their single account while they are at work, NPC hauling missions, regular missions, etc all the way up to guys farming sleepers with dreads. In a nutshell any kind of grind activity can be, in my opinion, classed as prey. Then you have predators of various classes, starting with afkcloakers, empire wardeccers looking for just easy ganks, low sec pirate activity, etc etc, to NPC null sec pirates all the way to Burn Eden or whoever happens to be the top predator in that given niche at that moment.

If you make the prey too vunerable that ecolocical niche will be hunted to extinction in relatively rapid manner. The people in that niche will either "die off" in the sense of quitting eve or find a new niche in EVE. I'm afraid that if you take away all options to avoid hi sec wars then many of the preys populating these niches would just die off instead of finding a better niche to populate and considering that they are supposed to be the "90%" results of such exodus might, in turn, be quite bad for the EVE as a whole.

If you are genuienly looking for a fight then there are still plenty of options for that. For example, wardec an empire FW corp or Red vs Blue or EVE Uni and I'm pretty sure you can get your fight even in hi sec. Now if you are looking for getting an easy gank - plenty of options right there as well - theres always the slow and the dumb or people with emotional attachment to some particular corp ticker who dont jump ship the second you dec a corp. Easiest way is probably just deccing some larger null sec alliance - theres always some lemming missing the mail and taking his itty 5 loaded to the eyeballs with loot to Jita.

People aren't forced to be in player corps - no-one is forced to be in a war. They can go into an NPC corp, and pay the NPC corp you-can't-wardec-me tax of 11%, and continue to live their lives.

Considering that this mechanic has been around as long as the war-dec mechanic and EVE has shown steady growth in all this time, I would say that it does help promote a healthy New Eden.

Somewhere in that ballpark would be my guess as well, however, currently CCP just does a snapshot and looks at where are the characters at that moment. Or well up until now - they do plan now to try to figure out the finer nyances as far as I understand.

As far as NPC corps and their tax goes yeah, people are free to do so. As far as dropping corp and forming another one that is in my opinion basically living in a NPC corp. If CCP really cares then its ofc just matter of making it so that for the first week a corp tax is the same as in NPC corp and it goes not to corp wallet but is sinked away.

If you go and declare a corporation that is more than few months old the probability of such behaviour would drop. Go an dec some 5+ years old corp and its highly unlikely that they would use that kind of "trick" to circumenvent the wardec. They might not undock and use NPC corp alts for doing their business ofc - but they most liklely would have already some kind of assets so juggling it all would be inconvinient.

Also ability to switch corps at the drop of a hat implies that they do not have any kind of roles at all. Meaning that many benefits of being in a corp are not there, like shared office n stuff. Takes at least 24h to switch corps if you have some roles.

So which CSM candidates are going to put this forward? Allow war decs to follow players for 7 days who bail from corp?

Absolutely. I don't believe war in EVE should require any justification at all.

If a player has "no interest" in PvP gameplay he can remain in an NPC corporation and in the safety of the captains quarters.