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About the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) election
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Ai Shun
#21 - 2013-03-05 10:02:54 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
1. Who determines if a subscriber is high, low, null or WH space?


Pretty sure CCP has access to all relevant charts.

Ai Shun wrote:
2. What happens if you identify with all of New Eden and don't restrict yourself to one option?


Snapshot. Where is everyone's main located when the snapshot is taken?

Ai Shun wrote:
3. If you understand EVE enough to differentiate between ship to ship combat and PVP; would you still break the game into PvP and PvE content?


Yes.

Ai Shun wrote:
4. So you won't - then why would you break the game by profession when people can cross over multiple areas?


The region seats are by population (Representatives) The profession seats are fixed at two each (Senate). If you happen to have more than one profession this has no effect on the number of profession seats.


So you are building a false representation of the player demographics to support your agenda.

/nods

Okay. Go read what Malcanis has written on the topic. It may help you.
Primary Me
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-03-05 12:35:14 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
The region seats are by population (Representatives) The profession seats are fixed at two each (Senate)

So aside from all the issues noted by Ai Shun above, you want to give us an in-game version of the barking mad 'democratic' system used by the US? Lol, no thanks.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#23 - 2013-03-06 05:02:24 UTC
Actually, considering that the CSM now are just lobbyists for special interest groups, I'd say it's current form looks far more like the US political system than what I suggested.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-03-06 05:44:14 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
So you are building a false representation of the player demographics to support your agenda.

/nods

Okay. Go read what Malcanis has written on the topic. It may help you.

Everyone who does not support buffing highsec belongs to nullsec, their views on highsec are irrelevant.

Everyone who supports buffing highsec belongs to highsec. We can see the experts on highsec agree highsec needs more of the ~good stuff~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-03-06 07:10:46 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Actually, considering that the CSM now are just lobbyists for special interest groups, I'd say it's current form looks far more like the US political system than what I suggested.


I assume you have some evidence for this that everyone can see, not just the voices you hear when you stir a little extra windex into your breakfast cocktail?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#26 - 2013-03-06 07:15:43 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Actually, considering that the CSM now are just lobbyists for special interest groups, I'd say it's current form looks far more like the US political system than what I suggested.

I assume you have some evidence for this that everyone can see, not just the voices you hear when you stir a little extra windex into your breakfast cocktail?

It's ok. They wish they could do it too, but we're too ~powerful~ and have to be nerfed.

These are "what do you mean I can't win" tears, elections edition.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-06 09:26:10 UTC
I hereby nominate bbb2020 for CSM

Platform:

1: Lots of carebear
2: Talk to CCP guys
3: Ask lots of questions
4: Be in a pictures

Why you should vote for bbb2020 for CSM

Reasons:

1: His name will be hard to say and it will be funny to hear the devs saying it.
2: Lots of other people are putting their names in
3: Highsec needs a voice
4: Very photogenic. Google "bbb2020 posing with giant potato"

That is all.

Good luck bb.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-03-06 09:33:48 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
If you wanted to see a productive CSM then CCP would have to make it like the US House of Representatives


Because House of Representatives is the pinnacle of productivity Lol
High Sec Dan
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-03-06 09:45:02 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Ripard Teg for CSM?


No thanks, I like my high sec dangerous.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#30 - 2013-03-06 10:23:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Malcanis wrote:
I assume you have some evidence for this that everyone can see, not just the voices you hear when you stir a little extra windex into your breakfast cocktail?


Plenty.

CSM List

CSM Minutes

More current

Take your time reading it. Now I understand that any evidence you find that goes against your preconceived notions will magically erase itself from you brain, but maybe some other people would like to read it all for themselves.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Frying Doom
#31 - 2013-03-06 10:31:30 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ai Shun wrote:
So you are building a false representation of the player demographics to support your agenda.

/nods

Okay. Go read what Malcanis has written on the topic. It may help you.

Everyone who does not support buffing highsec belongs to nullsec, their views on highsec are irrelevant.

Everyone who supports buffing highsec belongs to highsec. We can see the experts on highsec agree highsec needs more of the ~good stuff~

Crap you mean I have to move to Null?

But what about all the money I make in hi-sec?

Lets face it if I moved to Null as is I might as well biomass as I wouldn't make 1/10 of what I make now.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Frying Doom
#32 - 2013-03-06 10:38:56 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Actually, considering that the CSM now are just lobbyists for special interest groups, I'd say it's current form looks far more like the US political system than what I suggested.


I assume you have some evidence for this that everyone can see, not just the voices you hear when you stir a little extra windex into your breakfast cocktail?

Ok a few things

1) Null Sec Lobby group is a Trade mark of Tin Foil Action Group
2) CSM7 started at the beginning looking very much like a Null Sec Lobby group until it changed through the term into the CCP cheer leaders.
3) The cheer leading was a lot worse than any thing ever done by CSM 6 (A heavy Null Sec Lobby), to the point we now have a voting system that will cause an even less representative council for CSM 8. Actually I should not say that as so few people will bother voting that the only result will be that the majority of people don't want to vote.

Oh and keep your hands off my windex.Smile

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#33 - 2013-03-06 21:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: bbb2020
Haven't had time to open my pc before now, so I will just comment a few of the post in here.

Alavaria Fera wrote:
bbb2020 wrote:
Help me and the rest of the playerbase make head and tale of this mess.
Thanks

EVE Online is a truly hardcore mmo.

You are experiencing a moment of growth as a voter in important internet elections. Savor this moment.

Eve online isn't that hardcore. Just bloody confusing at times with all that metagaming going on.

Frying Doom wrote:
bbb2020 wrote:
...

Help me and the rest of the playerbase make head and tale of this mess.
Thanks

The Dev blog http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=74283 is a good start

as to what they have achieved, I am the wrong person to ask except in to say that in the last 12 months Two Step a CSM member has probably prevented us from being back stabbed by CCP over the POS update and Issler Dainze was there to help with the mining barge Buff. Also the current CSM has done a great job with the summit minutes.

On the downside, well read Jita park that is why it is there.

Oh and Trebor Daehdoow is the only member of CSM 7 running for re-election.

Thanks. Some of the info I was looking for. Can see by your link, that i don't have to make my decision before the final ballot, which will make going through the candidates a lot easier.
I know that, if many think like that, a lot of good candidates will be eliminated before then, but let's be honest - we're talking about a game election here - not a national election.

Vince Snetterton wrote:
OP, read the new "voting" rules, the see how the votes were broken down in last years vote, factor in the huge growth and consolidation of the null sec power blocs, and just shrug your shoulders.

Of the 14 seats available, 10-12 are a lock for the major null sec blocs.
From all I can see, there is no pure high sec candidate, which pretty much dooms high sec to having any representation.

High sec income is first and foremost a their biggest target, and they will gladly give up any discussions about POS or Sov mechanics changing, if they can get CCP to wipe out high sec income.

Read the platforms in the CSM subforum, listen to the Zebra Crossings podcast interviews of the CSM candidates, and look at the daily propaganda onslaught in the main forum against high sec.

High sec is doomed. Its destruction will not be completed with this CSM, but they are certainly going to accelerate the process.

Even though I dwell in highsec, I don't mind voting for a candidate from null if only I feel he will be a good representative for the majority of playerbase.
You cannot find a candidate, in any election, in which you can say: i totally agree with everything he / she says, unless that candidate has so minority standspoints that he / she will be useless as a candidate in the first place.

I also don't think highsec will be destroyed by whomever we put on the CSM because they are only elected for a year at the time. Whatever this CSM, in your eyes might destroy, next years CSM might buff 10 fold.
And think about it: Every time you and everybody else is saying highsec is dying, its only dying in your eyes because you compare the present with the past.
For a new player, just entered into the game, highsec will look perfectly normal and okay.
A saying goes: Everyone wants progress but no one wants change. Well Eve is changing all the time. adapt or die - isn't that what everybody in Eve is saying?
bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#34 - 2013-03-06 21:01:45 UTC
Ai Shun wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Man if only CCP had produced a devblog with that info and then put links to all their devblogs in one subforum so you could easily find the one you're looking for!


Did you know that Google has been around since ... was it 1996 or 1998? Not the first search engine, but around longer than EVE Online. Now if you type the phrase "When is the CSM election?" into Google and search the third result for me is the Dev Blog. That makes it even easier than having to go to a Devblog subforum.

You can just search the internet and it will dispense knowledge like an oversized Pez dispenser.

And did you know that Internet forums has been around since... well before the internet as a concept was born? A place to ask questions and get answers? I tell you, I got more info from reading the the answers in here than i ever would from google and so did everybody reading this tread.
Google can't tell you everything. It can tell you that 2 x 2 is 4 but try asking it how it how it got to that conclusion and you're screwed.
Google isn't God and if you do ask it for "the answer to life the universe and everything", It will tell you the answer is "42". A useless answer (funny as it my be).

You did ask me to google "When is the CSM election?" and pick the third result so I did, and look and behold; it took me right back in to the Eve Online forums.
Why didn't you just write the link to that "exceptional good" tread in the first place? That was forums are for.

Arronicus wrote:
I hereby nominate bbb2020 for CSM

Platform:

1: Lots of carebear
2: Talk to CCP guys
3: Ask lots of questions
4: Be in a pictures

Why you should vote for bbb2020 for CSM

Reasons:

1: His name will be hard to say and it will be funny to hear the devs saying it.
2: Lots of other people are putting their names in
3: Highsec needs a voice
4: Very photogenic. Google "bbb2020 posing with giant potato"

That is all.

Good luck bb.

No no no. I'm not running for anything. Just don't have the time.
I think players running for a chair on the CSM should be player who play the game - a lot. If a player has the time to play a lot, they have the time to be on the CSM. Not like a casual player like myself. I hardly have time to log onto the game no more. Won't have time to be on a board either.

Btw: You think my name is hard to pronounce? The funny thing is; you did pronounce it right yourself. It's "bb". Plain and simple.

Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I assume you have some evidence for this that everyone can see, not just the voices you hear when you stir a little extra windex into your breakfast cocktail?


Plenty.

CSM List

CSM Minutes

More current

Take your time reading it. Now I understand that any evidence you find that goes against your preconceived notions will magically erase itself from you brain, but maybe some other people would like to read it all for themselves.

Now that was what i was talking about.
You win the prize as the best Borg queen and bring "order to chaos". :-)

Wonder what magic formula I've should have put into Google to come up with results like that.
Thank you very much.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2013-03-06 23:13:44 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
1) Null Sec Lobby group is a Trade mark of Tin Foil Action Group
2) CSM7 started at the beginning looking very much like a Null Sec Lobby group until it changed through the term into the CCP cheer leaders.
3) The cheer leading was a lot worse than any thing ever done by CSM 6 (A heavy Null Sec Lobby), to the point we now have a voting system that will cause an even less representative council for CSM 8. Actually I should not say that as so few people will bother voting that the only result will be that the majority of people don't want to vote.

Watch out, you never know we might make a tin foil (aluminum?) cartel and then we'd be fueling our senseless acts of aggression with your paranoia ISK.

I will give you bonus points for an image of the CSM with cheerleader outfits shopped on.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
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