EVE General Discussion

I honestly believe it's a no brainer that nullsec industry should be better then hisec industry. Not just marginally better.... I mean "better."

Although I don't mind the current state of Eve Online right now, I feel it could be much improved if this change was to take place. Take a look for yourself and take a roam from High to low, then onto null sec. There is a much higher ratio of pilots who prefer to spend 24/7 in high sec without ever even thinking about venturing into low or null sec!

I think for those 24/7 high sec players, if they wish to stay their... let them. But please keep in mind; "More isk = more risk!" Currently, I feel this isn't the case because of how reliable hi-sec space industry is.

I think it depends how CCP wants their game to be played out;

- Do they want more activity in nullsec? Not just a group of Alliances who have Blued each other and suddenly everything is peaceful and fine. Or, would they prefer to have different Alliances and Corporations going to war for control over a particular Mineral/Gas?

Sorry, I'm still a 2 month old noob. But just my opinion anyways.

It's just common sense tell me that industry should be greater for High, Low and Null sec respectively.

It would be great to see this change implemeted and see how New Eden would change over time.

EDIT: I guess, I'm in favour of nerfing High Sec. As I said, I'm only a 2 month old player and have already moved into Low Sec. So this isn't a biased opinion, I haven't really found anything to get attached to in the game yet.

Nobody is saying to make highsec industry match nullsec industry as it currently is.
THAT would be even more ******** than what we currently have.

Yeah, highsec is well-developed and well-patrolled by CONCORD, something like that is impossible.

No it doesn't.

There.

Aren't.

The.

Slots.

The only handful is here, is some dozens of bored industrialists who (in another thread) found making 8B a month is too little and the same dozen of super-rich mega dominating large null sec alliance talking heads pretending their life is so bad and ugly.

Were they the perma-forgotten low sec players, they'd have credibility to back their sobbings. Where they NPC null sec players, the deadly risk they run every day would appear an appropriate prize. Where they WH players, with their heavy logistic nightmares and inability to install stations at all, it'd be quite a long overdue buff.

But no, those who cry are the second most spoiled brats after hi seccers. I mean, only hi seccers are worse!

They don't just ask their second best area in game to be improved to beyond the first (understandable as they do have to work for their very existance) but to be prioritized above all others who live worse AND to nerf the others including low sec in the process!




You speak to the guy who proposed to remove hi sec completely except for the starter systems.
So keep the "you" for your own sermons.

Low sec comes with as many slots as high sec, as many stations. It even got harvestable moons (some good ones) and high ends in some systems. As Baltec1 said for the similar NPC nullsec players with the usual sniffy remark: "Just because you sucked at securing your NPC space doesn't mean my corp and many others didn't manage it." so basing to his statement, those low sec players have no excuse due to their inability to claim sov.

But guess what? Low sec is still an utter desert industry speaking.

The moons are all taken as are the POCOs. Just about all carriers and dreads are built in low. For normal subcap and module construction however there are no reasons to build them in low sec over high sec. If there are no advantages to building these things in low sec then why take the added risk.

When you say EQUAL, are you taking into account all factors? Because of logistics and access to market, which ARE key components of industry, equalizing nullsec industry with highsec is only doable via penalizing other features of highsec industry. Tradeoffs. More mineral waste in highsec, in exchange for direct access to good markets, etc.

In my opinion, and what I understand as part of the spirit of 0.0, the null-sec industry shouldn't simply be boosted, but the alliances should get the tools (toys) made available to shape null-sec the way they desire it. And it should come with options, choices, consequences, advantages and curtailments. Like ship fitting. It should have a resource and you should have to decide where to put it for your best advantage.

I am playing around with the concept of population as the base resource, deadspace areas as system slots, types of deadspace colonies as sub-systems and colony enhancements as modules. I think it would be better and more enjoyable than a bland grind based mechanic. May take a while until I have something more substantial put together that I can post up for discussion and development.

The advantage should either be configurable or simply different in different areas of space. I think we have seen a pure tier system being lackluster in every area of the game it has been used. It's simply better and more interesting to try to give good reasons to use all the options available for something important, then it is to offer a tiered system where some options are clearly inferior or superior in all cases excluding some minor niches.