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Hulasikaly Wada
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#1 - 2013-03-06 07:12:39 UTC

Have an alt with great drone skills and basically nothing gunnery/missile ( She is a carrier pilot )
Do you thing the new Eos will be a true drone boat ?
I mean , will it finally have the ability to field 5 heavy/sentry drones ? Maybe with classic 10% dmg/hp bonus ?
Even if CCP stated its a drone boat with primary offence via drones ( see the picture with the dual bonus for every kind of boost ), i don't think you can end up with a T2 Bc with better resistances ( already have ) , active armor repper bonus ( already have ) , ability to fit a lot of links ( currently 3, post balancing i don't know ) and having full primary DPS source ( deploied drones ) plus what ever you like on remaining hi-slots
What do you think is balanced for this ( actually the worst ) command ship ?

( i am trying to figure if is worth training BC to 5 on a carrier pilot before the skill changes )

Hula
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#2 - 2013-03-06 07:19:07 UTC
See the Eos used to be able to do that but they decided it was too good

Who knows what it'll be like post rebalancing
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#3 - 2013-03-06 07:48:22 UTC
If you don't now and decide to later, you'll need to train 4x as long to get all the command ships. IIRC, they were considering giving all the command ships 2 links, but I can't remember where I read that.
Hulasikaly Wada
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#4 - 2013-03-06 07:59:18 UTC

With the ( type a dirty word ) received till now, i hope in a gift to Eos fans
Missing only BC 5 to be able to inject Command Ship skill , i think it is worth anyway
( even if BC actually are missing a 125 Mbit boat )

Hula
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#5 - 2013-03-07 12:36:00 UTC
Now would be a really good time to get the BC skill to 5.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-03-07 12:45:02 UTC
125mbit/s might not be unreasonable to expect, 100mbit/s we'll get at least. I own a couple of Eoses but so far haven't come up with any reason to even assemble them, along Caldari HACs it's the most broken ship in game atm.

We'll probably see the local rep bonus replaced with resist or hp bonus to better suit the fleet command role.

Meanhile fly the Domi? With Gal BS V which you have (assumin Thanny) it's an incredibly useful ship, you'll probaly have great RR and capacitor skills as well, so a hospital Domi with neuts would put the character in a nice support role that contributes meaningful dps as well as having sturdy tank.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2013-03-07 13:08:53 UTC
I'd guess it'll follow the Myrm and get 100mbit, if it even gets an increase. Fleet Command ships aren't supposed to be DPS monsters. Getting more EHP/Resists/CPU is more important in terms of its official role.

IIRC, the proposed Fleet Command Ship change in which ganglinks were bonused was to give each CS a +2% per level bonus in two kinds of links:

Amarr: Armor + Skirmish
Caldari: Shield + Info
Minmatar: Skirmish + Shield
Gallente: Armor + Info

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Hulasikaly Wada
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#8 - 2013-03-07 13:10:42 UTC
Roime wrote:
125mbit/s might not be unreasonable to expect, 100mbit/s we'll get at least. I own a couple of Eoses but so far haven't come up with any reason to even assemble them, along Caldari HACs it's the most broken ship in game atm.

We'll probably see the local rep bonus replaced with resist or hp bonus to better suit the fleet command role.

Meanhile fly the Domi? With Gal BS V which you have (assumin Thanny) it's an incredibly useful ship, you'll probaly have great RR and capacitor skills as well, so a hospital Domi with neuts would put the character in a nice support role that contributes meaningful dps as well as having sturdy tank.


My toon went after the amarr carrier , but yes you are right, the Dominix is a nice ships even without turrets ( she skilled it for an easy time with a sentry-rattle ), now back to BC skill, its really the right time to skill it anyway ( and to inject the command skill too ) because she is on her last Perc/will remap ( last for a lot of tme, lol , who know? )

Hula
Cute E
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-03-07 15:06:31 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Now would be a really good time to get the BC skill to 5.


And command ships injected and ideally trained to V before the patch too.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-03-07 16:58:55 UTC
if the astarte turned into a 125 mbit drone platform I would drop my current training plan just to get command ships V for it.

Art of Explosions
Perihelion Olenard
#11 - 2013-03-07 17:01:10 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I'd guess it'll follow the Myrm and get 100mbit, if it even gets an increase. Fleet Command ships aren't supposed to be DPS monsters. Getting more EHP/Resists/CPU is more important in terms of its official role.

IIRC, the proposed Fleet Command Ship change in which ganglinks were bonused was to give each CS a +2% per level bonus in two kinds of links:

Amarr: Armor + Skirmish
Caldari: Shield + Info
Minmatar: Skirmish + Shield
Gallente: Armor + Info


There will be no more fleet or field command ships. The eos will likely have the same bandwidth as the ishtar since five heavies are the largest a sub-capitol can use at once. It will have more guns than the ishtar, though.
Hulasikaly Wada
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#12 - 2013-03-07 17:09:18 UTC
Perihelion Olenard wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
I'd guess it'll follow the Myrm and get 100mbit, if it even gets an increase. Fleet Command ships aren't supposed to be DPS monsters. Getting more EHP/Resists/CPU is more important in terms of its official role.

IIRC, the proposed Fleet Command Ship change in which ganglinks were bonused was to give each CS a +2% per level bonus in two kinds of links:

Amarr: Armor + Skirmish
Caldari: Shield + Info
Minmatar: Skirmish + Shield
Gallente: Armor + Info


There will be no more fleet or field command ships. The eos will likely have the same bandwidth as the ishtar since five heavies are the largest a sub-capitol can use at once. It will have more guns than the ishtar, though.


Ishtar is overpowered at the moment ( can be situational where large/sentry drones do NOT work better of medium/light )

A slow fat big ishtar with same Mbit and drone bonus, plus link and actual gallente CS armor bonus and brutix look IMO is asking too much

Hula
Perihelion Olenard
#13 - 2013-03-07 17:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Perihelion Olenard
The astarte must be too much to ask over the deimos then, even though it has been this way for years. What would be the purpose of command ships if they didn't offer something better than heavy assault ships? Their required skill training and isk cost justify their power. Their insurance is crap as well. In addition the command ships will trade damage for links.

If the ishtar is nerfed the vexor will probably do more DPS.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-03-08 08:39:03 UTC
I have a combat fit EOS tucked away somewhere, I think the ship gets a lot of flack, it tanks pretty well (Armour tanking 1.5 has really improved this as well) and can still put out 500+ dps while doing so but is in dire need of the drone bonus.

As a drone boat it has not lost a slot I suspect this is why it’s bonus is wasted on drone bay so I expect it to be given the drone bay and have the bonus changed to hitpoints and damage (this could happen to the Ishtar as well). 125mbit might be a lot to ask so I expect 100mbit bandwidth.

As for the slot it may lose a high and I would really like to see an extra mid so probably take another high and swap it to a mid, this way to fit links it always has to sacrifice DPS which seems to follow the lines of the dev blog. (I looked again and I had not realised the minmatar command ships have an extra slot 18 rather than 17, so maybe it will not lose a slot but the none drone command ships with 17 slots could gain one)

The rep bonus could be changed to 10% per level.

Change the Hull to the myrm would be nice as well.
Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#15 - 2013-03-08 12:26:41 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
if the astarte turned into a 125 mbit drone platform I would drop my current training plan just to get command ships V for it.


There is a ship called the EOS already...
Hulasikaly Wada
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#16 - 2013-03-08 13:42:25 UTC
Jerick Ludhowe wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
if the astarte turned into a 125 mbit drone platform I would drop my current training plan just to get command ships V for it.


There is a ship called the EOS already...


with only 75 Mbit and only 5 turrets vs 7 ( and no dual % damge bonus )

Hula
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#17 - 2013-03-08 14:12:58 UTC
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Ishtar is overpowered at the moment

... how in space is the Ishtar OP right now?
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
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#18 - 2013-03-08 15:15:44 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:
Ishtar is overpowered at the moment

... how in space is the Ishtar OP right now?


Considered how light it is, the ability to deploy 5 full buffed sentries from range make it snipe a lot better of a lot of Bs

Hula
Hulk Miner
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-08 15:29:17 UTC
Ccp bring back the eos drone bandwidth so it can come out and play again
Drake Doe
88Th Tax Haven
#20 - 2013-03-08 15:38:11 UTC
I'm pretty sure the ishtar is as op as the Cerberus

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