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50th percentile, maybe.

Even a total backwater of highsec like Derelik has plenty of systems with multiple times the activity, and a couple that might match the activity levels of Deklein as a whole.

I'm just not seeing where nullsec has a large enough market to justify much more than shipping a tiny portion of highsec's production out there.

If the market grows to the point where the jump freighter pilots have trouble keeping up, then nullsec might need a buff to industry, but I just really don't see that happening without the addition of a lot of scalable content to nullsec that doesn't seem to be in the works.

Highsec needs to be the best for THE NEWBIESSSSSSSSS

You seriously overestimate your worth and the number of people "like you". There are over 100k players that lives in null (it's probably far above that but that's irrelevant), almost everyone I've met has an alt in hisec. Be it a mere pricechecker, up to Incursion runner or a full time miner. Another thing, not everyone in hisec deals with industry, and you highly underestimate the ability for people to adapt, especially newer players that haven't been too attached to certain aspects of the game yet.

So no, even if everyone "like you" left, CCP goes bankrupt is the least possible scenario that could happen.

It's not elitism, it's pointing out that the typical crybaby kneejerk response in these threads about unsubscribing is nothing more than a desperate attempt by a handful of people to hold onto game imbalance which benefits them.

They, like you, completely fail to see the big picture here, and instead of making reasonable replies they divert away from the topic with idiocy such as "hurf durf you're too lazy to make industry work in null" or "herp derp sov null is ubersafe, risk vs. reward lolz" or "highsec needs amazing industrial capacity because newbies need that industrial capacity since highsec ships blow up so much more than null" or "durrr nullsec = third world country and nobody manufactures there" and a whole host of other fallacies.

You're seriously arguing to preserve a system whereby even facilities gained using the best player effort, risk, and expenditure in player-owned space is still inferior to facilities that are risk-free, superior in number and capabilities, available from the start, and virtually free of charge, available in the safest area of the game.

That's like saying that a five-star $$$$ restaurant should serve you grilled-cheese sandwiches with canned and microwaved tomato soup while the local soup kitchen should always feature a four-course meal with wine pairings, filet mignon, asparagus, etc. Free of charge of course, with no dress code.

I don't think it's even possible to dumb this down even further, but some of you people are remarkeably still not getting it because you're so afraid of the combination of the words "nerf" and "highsec" you become completely incapable of rational and intelligent thought and instead revert to the mental equivalent of a toddler who won't share his toys.

Jesus Christ, people...

Yes.

I really doubt most casual highsec players would even notice the difference, frankly.

They're just so gripped with terror at the idea of a nerf. Frankly I blame CCP for not nerfing high sec more often, otherwise they'd be used to it and wouldn't complain as much. Low and Null have had to content with various nerfs over the years, and the last major nerf to highsec that I can think of was to incursions, half of which was rolled back because people cried too much.

Sugartits, if better ore, better ice, better pi, better rats, better bounties, better drops and moon goo hasn't done it do you really think better industry will do it? I can't speak for everyone in the game, but you know, a lot of people in the game come home from a job where their boss tells them what to do, when to do it and how to do it. Maybe, just maybe they don't want to play a game where they have to put up with the same BS?

Fact is when your alliance overlords can kick you out at a moment's notice or a massive enemy fleet shows up destroying everything you've invested in your production infrastructure, no amount of better is going to make it moar better than hisec.

Besides, the only way to allow for the scale of production that occurs in hisec but in nullsec is to turn nullsec into hisec and hisec into nullsec because there's no way you're going to move that much material through without losing significant percentages of it first. Then you'll be whining about the non-stop ganks and how ccp needs to make nullsec safer.....oh damn, where have I heard this before?

Maybe if you were not useless to the alliance 'overlords' they wouldn't kick you out. What if that changed? Would it be worth it then?

You replied while I was editing and amending. I doubt the changes will affect your opinion. So, I will say that I don't live in null. There's a reason for that. Primarily it has to do with people telling me how I should play the game in order to be useful to them so they don't kick me out of "their" space. I get enough of that BS at work. Last I checked, Eve was a game, not a job and I will cowtow to noone.

That you nullbears want to make nullsec into hisec having your cake and eating it too is just sad and pathetic. You want mass scale industry go to hisec. You want everything else, take your pick, null, ls or w-space.

The primary reason you want industry in nullsec to be more productive than hs is because of costs. There is absolutely NOTHING stopping you from setting up POS after POS to do mass scale industry....but it does cost more. You've got POS after POS extracting moon-goo. So I'm not seeing what's stopping you.