EVE General Discussion

Hehehe, so you would say that CCP always had good Ideas?
Then we hoply soon get more adequate Items in that shiny AURUM-Shop-System. That was also an Idea from CCP... not so far in the past btw. and everyone seemed to be happy about that.

Ok, again in slow motion... :

1. An Bot also dosn´t accelerate anything. It does the Actions in the same Speed as you theoretical could.
2. The 1. Account of an Multiboxer is played, the OTHER does automaticly what the firstone does.

So we see (if we want to) that the softwarebased Multiboxing is an Automation of an huge Amount of Characters because if there is no Software wich duplicates the Input the Player would probably uses a less amount of Characters becaus he isn´t able to handle them manualy. So we have an Software witch is usable to handle theoretical an unlimited Amount of Chars like an Bot does.

So we have a Group of Players wich are able to flood the Market with underpriced Assets and an undefined Amount of ISK like botters does.

So i had thought a lot about it, and came to the conclusion that using that kind of Software is bad for Market, not only for flooding it with cheap Assets but also with flooding it with ISK witch shouldn´t be in the System... Inflation is the Keyword here.

Naturaly we could find Arguments witch are "Pro" Softwaresoloutions but there are more against it, thats why CCP bans Bots for. Permitting other Softwaresolutions of "handling" Characters in Eve would be consequent if we all are honest.

1. "A" bot can accelerate things, feel free to ask "John" or Kelduum from E-UNI all about it.
2. The other accounts would not play if there was no user input, meaning they're not automated.

Many people multibox just fine with out software, so yes, those accounts can in fact perform actions with out software.

I never sayed that multiboxing in generel is a bad Thing. My Point IS and WAS that Accounts wich i can´t use without third Party Programs to handle the Caracters, shouldn´t probabably be used.

Anyone who can use his Account without Multibox-Software or Bots should keep doing it in future. Nothing against it.

Don´t misunderstand me in that.

So there is a 33/34 page threadnaught about multiboxing on the same page, and you still felt you needed to make your thread about multiboxing? Really?

You really believe that right?
Thats sadly not the Truth.

You can do Incursions with many less real Players with ISboxer, you can mine with ISboxer and you could fly 0.0 Anomalys with ISboxer, etc. so you may couldnt enraise the Profit per Character, but you can enraise the Profit per Player enormus. If it wouldn´t be the case no one would do it that way.

Btw. an equal Amount of real Players will only be in PvP the better Choice.

In Incursions you don´t have to call Targets, all Ships witch are multiboxed will fire perfectly syncronized and you only have to swich off ISboxer when you call for Reps. / Shield, and then switch it on again. If we get it on the top you would probably be able to multibox an whole Inc-Fleet with the Logistics on an 2nd PC.



Because you can do it without Software... so why don´t permit that Software like Bots?

Multiboxing with software assistance is about as close to booting as you can get - in your example of 20 characters, there is no way someone is going to control each and every character with even close to the efficiency of automated software that duplicates mouse movements and keystrokes. It's third party software assistance, pure and simple, to increase a player's efficiency far above what they could do on their own. Nothing to honestly dispute about that.

The thing is, this game is unique in that it can hurt your character to try and train/use same character alts, whereas the game design heavily promotes multiple accounts/multiboxing. For whatever reason, this small community likes multiboxing and abhors botting (for myriad reasons, some very well founded, some questionable, some baffling displays of selective reasoning).

So botting is against the rules and software-assisted multiboxing is not, even though nobody with a brain sees them as all that different, logically or under the EULA.

And discussing it isn't going to somehow make botting okay, or multiboxing bannable. Yet here I am, bumping this dumb and duplicative thread:P

there's only one thing you make clear, that your conception of what automation is happens to be wrong. and its impossible to have a conversation if we don't agree on the definitions of the things we are discussing.

now i know that different languages can lead to slightly different concepts, that's why clarification is often needed when translating. but even so, automation has a strict definition on all languages, that cannot be expanded, and there's no possible way to argue with. automatic is defined as a process that starts with no human input. end of story.

if i have a doorbell that rings every time someone stands on the doormat, then its automatic.

if i have a standard doorbell and someone rings it, then its not automated.

if i have a standard doorbell with its wires split into 20 copper pairs each leading to 20 different bells, and then someone rings it making 20 different bells ring... it is NOT automated.

a process cant go from "manual" to "automatic" based on the number of processes one interaction starts, it only changes to "automatic" if no interaction is needed.


if you cant, or decide to not accept that definition of automation, then your problem is not with players multiboxing, your problem is with logic. and i don't thing anyone here can help you with that.

The example was for how multiboxing gives an advantage over a team of people working together, which actually gives greater coordination. Please, tell me all about how a team of people working together is less efficient than 1 person multiboxing the same amount of accounts.