EVE General Discussion

It's you being entitled. No need for fancy words that try to claim your entitlement is a good thing.

After reading everyones comment posted and finding I was reading so slowly that 3 new pages had spawned I've got to laugh at all of those saying they'll leave or they'll be angry if non-consent war decs are removed.

What will you honestly lose? Think about it for a moment. If you can't war dec a non-consenting corporation, what will happen? You'll have to get your PvP fix from LowSec/Null, Faction Warfare, Dueling or worse yet; facing an opponent that's ready to fight. Knows how to fight and even worse yet, might actually be a challenge.

Examining those; LowSec/Null runs the risk of running into a bigger badder opponents and losing. Faction Warfare from what I've played of it is rather entertaining but you still run that risk. Dueling? Well.. that's only one v one and the opponent is prepared and probably knows how to fight you.

There's a few people I talk to that war dec for the simple real reason of ransoms. In fact, that's all they really do with the War Dec mechanic. It's not making the game any fun for their opponent, it's just a simple low-risk ISK making mechanic for them. If they get the odd fight, they're happy. But given the mechanic, do you really believe they'd pick a target that could fight back properly if their main goal is making ISK as a corp?

No, I think not sadly.

Wars in real life are fought over resources, land, ideology, emotions and race.

Resources?
Fight over a belt in high sec, winner gains rights to the system(s) mining belts and prevents any miners from opposing corp from mining in the system(s) - which means the agreement between the two parties needs to be honored. Better yet; require a corporation to plant a flag in the system(s) (.7 and below) that prevent mining by other corporations? Doubt it but who knows.

Land?
Fight over a moon in high sec for a POS. But wait.. there are a lot of moons so why bother fighting? Well they're used for Tech3, why should High-Sec even be able to produce that lovely lovely Tech? For starters, 0.0 alliances sell to their own. They don't want their enemy having Tech3. Secondly; your fancy ships you fly - some of you at least =P - where'd you buy them from? Who made them? Either a worm-hole corp who produces in their womhole - which most don't as that'd be insanely risky and who wants the risk - or.. that's right, the high-sec industrial alt. The great thing here: if anyone producing decent tech wants an advantage they can pay a merc corp to war dec the competition. No POS, no Tech3. But that's not a risk for the Player, they've just loaned the risk out and even then.. Wait.. in that scenario where's the Risk vs Reward exactly?

Ideology? No one gives a rats except those New Order crazies (Let's face it.. Hulkageddon was much funnier and relaxed then you lot, sorry but it's true). Except of course for the "High Sec is too profitable" or "Why should a miner/mission runner be able to do what they want? I want to attack them and spice things up for them!" Don't like people being good at what they do? Be better at it. Want to attack them to spice it up, got news for you. That's called self-entitlement. Your self-entitlement gets inflated whilst the other person just sits there wondering "What the hell did I ever do to that guy?", in-game you're effectively going up to someone with a Disadvantage, punching them in the face and saying "Haha learn to fight back you ******* loser".

If it were real life, you'd get the **** kicked out of you as it's a much even playing field. If I saw someone trying to destroy my lively hood or prevent me from enjoying playing footy for no other reason other than "Why not?" or "Cause I can, what are you going to do about it?!" well.. I'm 6"4, weighing in at 105kgs with 9.5% body fat, you do the math.

Emotions? 0.0 alliance fight over that, we know if for a fact thanks to G and ASCN. High Sec corps.. I'm not sure, maybe a forum post makes someone upset. Causes them to go nuts, wait the 24 hours, jump the 32 jumps in the hopes of finding their prey and smacking the **** out of them because they're upset? It'd be a laugh but honestly, why bother? That poor noobie corp is just a jump away from you and the other great thing; you're assured he's smaller than you.

Race? That's the one thing covered at the moment through Faction Warfare. Not bad from what I hear, it does the job of real PvP (Not ganking, griefing or tear hoarding ) and people actually have a real IN GAME reason to fight.

In your country, where ever you are, sitting at your computer or laptop I can only hope that you're safe and free to live the way you want. I hope you've got police that can follow up on that guy who stole from you. An army to protect you in case your countries neighbors try to invade. A legal system that prevents you from being extorted or black mailed.

Because I know the vast majority of you reading this thinking "Yeah I do what's your point", playing the "game" and enjoy your time with your corp mates. Doing exactly the aforementioned to people with practical impunity because hey, it's just a game right?

And those who just want to have a giggle, do a few missions, mine, do station trading (Which hey, you can't attack them so bl trying to war dec those guys), courier peoples cargo, setup a POS to do research or prepare yourself for 0.0 keep this in mind: without you, all those high-sec war dec'ing, griefers don't have a game to play. Without them though, you have nothing to build or your ISK is worth nothing at all. Respect goes both ways so keep it in mind.

One last point before my 671 odd characters run out; the threads about High-Sec war decs. Not about "James" or "New Order" bullshit. I'd love to read from people who have fought over something 'real' in high-sec that was worth while and had a point. No arguments over plex or people having it too easy - as the points already been made, 0.0 for a few alliances can be safer than empire at times.

An individual is easily replaced. All high sec carebears are not easily replaced.

Something like a nerf to high sec, would not effect just me. A big nerf to high sec that effects all high sec carebears is going to drive away a lot more carebears than just me, and they would not all be easily replaced.

They're not a massive bloc, really??

You claim you want to fight yet all you and the OP seem to be after is fighting players that have little or no interest in PvP or in other words easy kills. How many pvp corps have you decced compared to mining corps? There are plenty of corps around that will gladly give you a fight but then again, a fight isn't what you are after.

A few bears said that about the 11% NPC corp tax. Turns out it didn't matter.

CCP has not created any incentive for hisec players to build their own infrastructure. None. Virtually everything you need is provided for free - there is no shortage of available manufacturing slots even within a few jumps of Jita. Literally the only benefit of doing /anything/ in a POS is a 25% research/'manufacturing time reduction. Even if you did argue that that is an incentive to build infrastructure of your own, there's nothing preventing hiseccers from simply using an alt corp while keeping their mains in wardec-immune 0% tax personal corps, with literally the only risk they face being a suicide gank.

Is suicide ganking still a thing? That needs to be ... "taken care of"

You need the POS for ME and copy for invention as the available public slots have very, very long waits that dwarf the 25% boost from the POS.


Even if there was incentive to build our own infrastructure, we'd just have manufactruing/research lats that don't undock, and then use out of corp/NPC corp alts for mining, transporting, etc.

Sounds like smart and efficient use of the game mechanics in highsec.