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+ tackling and EVE mechanics

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Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#1 - 2013-03-05 18:31:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Romani4
Hi everyone!

Why CCP don`t do something with +tackling mechanism? Do`nt have idea? I`ll make one as gift!

When we enter in any nullsec corp - we have Evil Security Officer with some questions for us, don`t we? Why they so suspecting us? We "white and fuzzzzzzzy" Lol Let`s make some clearense in this - he (or she Oops) is don`t want to take +takler in his Corp!!!

We (sorry, CCP Blink ) can broke this bad circle!!!
We have standings when we enter in any corporation. Simply TURN OFF any ability to put any points (web, scramble or any of other funny things Roll) to someone with Excellent/Good standings.

We can make in with some sort of differense:
1. Excellent standing - do not allow any hostile actions!!! U can think of it, but your ship has some sort of instructions from ally center/corporate heart Lol to be "white and fuzzzzzzzy" to any of your so-corp mates or ally members.
2. Good standing - U can do something... maybe U can turn off lock or totally shrink optimal range...

Btw, this is NOT my Idea! I only one who spoke some words.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-05 18:36:39 UTC
If it is not your idea it is best not to post it under your name, it will save you a head ache and having to read lots of trolls.
On the topic of (not) your idea, no. There are times where shooting a blue is a necessary situation and being able to tackle them is a must.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#3 - 2013-03-05 18:38:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Romani4
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If it is not your idea it is best not to post it under your name, it will save you a head ache and having to read lots of trolls.
On the topic of (not) your idea, no. There are times where shooting a blue is a necessary situation and being able to tackle them is a must.

I don`t care... Troll my baby - i`m in... Dredd)))) This is idea to make some REAL from standings except degree of blue plus...

Shoot one?! I`m really can`t imagine this situation...
DataRunner Attor
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-03-05 18:41:25 UTC
I honestly don't understand the grammar.

“Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.”

Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#5 - 2013-03-05 18:44:44 UTC
DataRunner Attor wrote:
I honestly don't understand the grammar.


Sorry for my bad grammar(((

I have proposed a mechanism which prohibits hostile actions to so-corps and ally members to eleminate +tackling.
Thats better?
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#6 - 2013-03-05 18:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
I wont shoot the messenger, since I think you're translating for someone.... But do us a favor and smack that tard.

AWOXing is a part of EvE.... It adds a ton of valuable danger and ambiance when your friend can turn on you for any reason, be it for profit, revenge, schizophrenia, or a full moon. Forcing people to "play by your rules" by inhibiting the shooting of blues is a terrible idea that will seriously diminish the dangers within EvE! This is just one small step short of preventing people from stealing and scamming, and that's just not something ANYONE here will support.

p.s. This is my understanding of what you are asking:
Inhibit friendly fire.... Make it so you cannot attack players that are in-corp, in-alliance, or even those with positive standings towards you.
Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#7 - 2013-03-05 18:52:15 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
I wont shoot the messenger, since I think you're translating for someone.... But do us a favor and smack that tard.

AWOXing is a part of EvE.... It adds a ton of valuable danger and ambiance when your friend can turn on you for any reason, be it for profit, revenge, schizophrenia, or a full moon. Forcing people to "play by your rules" by inhibiting the shooting of blues is a terrible idea that will seriously diminish the dangers within EvE! This is just one small step short of preventing people from stealing and scamming, and that's just not something ANYONE here will support.

p.s. This is my understanding of what you are asking:
Inhibit friendly fire.... Make it so you cannot attack players that are in-corp, in-alliance, or even those with positive standings towards you.


It can be made adjustable. Some corporations may not use this mechanism, or the inclusion of this mechanism can be accessed only after pumping of any skill.
You are the absolute best are right - it is not necessary to impose. But given a choice - it will be more correct.
De'Veldrin
Adversity.
Hisec Miners
#8 - 2013-03-05 18:58:04 UTC
Frankly - given the new dueling mechanic, I fully expect CCP to continue their march towards rampant themepark-ism by turning off the ability to awox freely, at least in highsec, and instantiate the CONCORD wtfbbq for it.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.

Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#9 - 2013-03-05 19:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Romani4
De'Veldrin wrote:
Frankly - given the new dueling mechanic, I fully expect CCP to continue their march towards rampant themepark-ism by turning off the ability to awox freely, at least in highsec, and instantiate the CONCORD wtfbbq for it.

Wait a second! I'm just suggesting a mechanism that will activate Standings to be REALLY WORKING STUFF!!!
I have no desire to make EvE like any SimCity.
Personally, I don`t have any positive from dark blue+ in some sys as I`am. More than that - I'm more happy to see neutrals in local than unknown plus (no matter dark or light blue).
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-03-05 19:11:20 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Frankly - given the new dueling mechanic, I fully expect CCP to continue their march towards rampant themepark-ism by turning off the ability to awox freely, at least in highsec, and instantiate the CONCORD wtfbbq for it.

ohmagerd again with this.

the dueling mechanism was something the playerbase WANTED.
its origins are with the intentional placement and flipping of cans to create an artificial "limited engagement" between two players in highsec who wanted to fight, this only came into existence because CCP hadnt coded in a way to temporarily disable highsec concord mechanics for players to fight without declaring a weeklong war.

CCP simply added in a mechanic to make it streamlined for players to accomplish a task they were already doing, they took away no mechanics, they took away no ability to gank or pvp, you can fight just as non-consensually as you want, all they did was allow two player who WANT to fight eachother, to be able to do so without jumping through the hoops of game-mechanics to flag eachother.



as to the other changes CCP has talked about and made, i dont have much to say on, since im rarely in k-space, but i have a hard time believing they would themepark eve, since even if 95% of the playerbase is "risk-averse carebears who dotn want to pvp", the last 5% is generally organized enough to make the game unplayable for the other 95% without having to fire a shot.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#11 - 2013-03-05 19:13:01 UTC
De'Veldrin wrote:
Frankly - given the new dueling mechanic, I fully expect CCP to continue their march towards rampant themepark-ism by turning off the ability to awox freely, at least in highsec, and instantiate the CONCORD wtfbbq for it.


I hope not.. cause I'll be rather disappointed if they do!!!

I don't have a problem with some improved S&I security, but I think the current station hangar / wallet access system in EvE is pretty spot on. In order to maintain the dystopic image of EvE, it's important to allow frenemies to undermine the trust of players, and to fundamentally screw over friend and foe alike!
Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#12 - 2013-03-05 19:13:25 UTC
Now we have a situation when the standings needs only for some "relation" Lol (sure - to don`t have any relations with them Big smileBlink) with POS guns. And the rest ... I think - here CCP needs to make something.
Akara Ito
Phalanx Solutions
#13 - 2013-03-05 19:15:04 UTC
Standing based weapon locks are incredibly dumb.
Just imagine a spy in your fleet bubbling you and 250(0) of your best friends and you cant even shoot him.
Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#14 - 2013-03-05 19:19:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Romani4
Akara Ito wrote:
Standing based weapon locks are incredibly dumb.
Just imagine a spy in your fleet bubbling you and 250(0) of your best friends and you cant even shoot him.

Ok! Let`s simply disable ability to put some points on your + not in your fleet!!!
U can shoot! But any EWAR actions - not allowed to any of your so-corps and ally member (except - they in the same fleet)
Mikaila Penshar
SISTAHs of EVE
#15 - 2013-03-05 19:41:51 UTC
In the movie version of this thread I picture OP played by Gabriel Byrne- n'uff said?
Romani4
Combat Mining Company
Legion of xXDEATHXx
#16 - 2013-03-05 19:45:26 UTC
Mikaila Penshar wrote:
In the movie version of this thread I picture OP played by Gabriel Byrne- n'uff said?


facepalm.....
Derath Ellecon
Lotek Academy
#17 - 2013-03-05 20:45:29 UTC
So all I need to do is get a spy into your fleet, and then just at the right moment during battle, set the opposing corp/alliance blue. Bingo, no more locks.

Oh and that OP. What a horribly written post. You really should go back and fix that.