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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#21 - 2013-03-04 03:46:08 UTC
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
So you play on a 90s Texas Instruments Calculator? Please tell me more! What?

FFS, EVE is probably one of the lightest games out there at the moment and people still find time to actually ***** about their own crappy, 20 year old calculator not being able to run the game properly in some cases.

CCP should just post up the MINIMUM requirements and tell you to **** OFF when you complain about the game and don't match up to those requirements.


I think YOU should "**** OFF". You do realize this game came out ~2003?
Some people started playing this game a long time ago and invested money and time in this game.
It is possible not to have enough to buy a 1000$+ computer and there should be an option to play without those fancy graphics.

About the clouds - yeah zooming out helps and i think I read similar things to previous poster, about this issue being looked at...


Lol

I find that incredibly amusing; both the post and response here.. *sigh* It's not 2003 anymore. You can't expect a game to stagnate in quality while the world moves on without it.

My PC is perfectly capable of handling EVE, and if I were to build an equivalent with newer technology it would actually cost me less than this one did. I'd just rough estimate about $800 USD to build a PC more than capable of handling EVE and many other games.

Given it costs about $5 for a loaf of bread these days, I think that isn't really that much money. Maybe not easily spent, but I'm sure you can manage it over ~10 years.

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#22 - 2013-03-04 04:16:48 UTC
The issue at hand isn't that EvE is to hard on GPU's in general.

It's the specific case of those particle/cloud things in some sites where the GPU load suddenly rockets.

Which is a bit annoying, and made worse by the fact that they are also so bright/shiny that it becomes very hard to see modules, locked targets and other stuff.

I know that CCP has been tweaking them to make them less annoying, but it seems that I'm not alone in wanting an option to tweak them down another notch.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#23 - 2013-03-04 10:39:52 UTC
I have a modern PC, nothing fancy or anything, but it runs EVE fine. EXCEPT those clouds. Those clouds are the ONLY thing my PC and also my EYES have issue with. THE ONLY THING. Aside from whether or not other players expect me to spend money to get a top-of-the-line video card, I can't read WHITE TEXT ON A WHITE BACKGROUND. All the more incentive to just zoom out, rendering them a useless waste of resources anyway.
Complex Potential
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-04 13:07:35 UTC
Yep same here. Although it's not enough to noticeably effect my frame rate, I too hear my fans kick into overdrive when zoomed inside a cloud. It was a bit scary the first time it happened because I own no other game (including Far Cry 3) that causes my graphics card to protest that much. Zoomed out and it calmed down again.

Very odd.

Win7 64Bit
Core i7
ATI 6870X2
6GB DDR3
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-03-04 14:44:15 UTC
Complex Potential wrote:
Yep same here. Although it's not enough to noticeably effect my frame rate, I too hear my fans kick into overdrive when zoomed inside a cloud. It was a bit scary the first time it happened because I own no other game (including Far Cry 3) that causes my graphics card to protest that much. Zoomed out and it calmed down again.

Very odd.

Win7 64Bit
Core i7
ATI 6870X2
6GB DDR3


The cloud effects are very badly implemented, eating a lot of processing for little/no visual immersion gain.

Would you like to know more?
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-03-04 14:57:01 UTC  |  Edited by: De'Veldrin
Mars Theran wrote:


Given it costs about $5 for a loaf of bread these days



Shocked
Where the **** do you live that a loaf of bread costs you $5? If I pay $2.50 for bread I'm pissed.

Edit to stay on topic:
The gas clouds are moderately horrible and as I am not mining gas, I wish to make them begone. Make it so CCP.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Steve Spooner
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-05 08:13:49 UTC
I wish they would upgrade to CryEngine 3 so I can see every little particle being blown off ships.
KingMazz ONE
TECH 2 INNOVATIONS
#28 - 2013-03-05 10:58:48 UTC
Well this helps me when i have problems with eve game play. I Bang Face On Key Board. I Find this will help you more then CCP will.

IT MAKE"S MY WINKY GO DING !!!!!!!!!!!!
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-03-05 14:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
So you play on a 90s Texas Instruments Calculator? Please tell me more! What?

FFS, EVE is probably one of the lightest games out there at the moment and people still find time to actually ***** about their own crappy, 20 year old calculator not being able to run the game properly in some cases.

CCP should just post up the MINIMUM requirements and tell you to **** OFF when you complain about the game and don't match up to those requirements.


I think YOU should "**** OFF". You do realize this game came out ~2003?
Some people started playing this game a long time ago and invested money and time in this game.
It is possible not to have enough to buy a 1000$+ computer and there should be an option to play without those fancy graphics.

About the clouds - yeah zooming out helps and i think I read similar things to previous poster, about this issue being looked at...


Do I realize that this game came out in 2003? Yes!
Do I realize that not all people will be able to buy new computers from time to time? Yes!
Do I think they should cater to people still using rigs from 2003? **** NO!

It comes up to a point where you simply can't add the smallest of things without breaking the gaming experience for someone using a computer that's 5/6 years old. Honestly, they do one hell of a job at that, as I can still play eve PERFECTLY with my old laptop and that thing is a dinosaur!

If the OP is having trouble playing EVE with everything set in minimum then I guess it's on him to get a ******* life and buy a new computer! :) (so sorry for saying what everyone else is thinking!)



Well I'm actually having the opposite problem and seems I'm not alone.

I change some of my hardware parts almost every 2 years so the rig keeps good performances and it's cheaper than buy everything at one time.
Last change was about OS, Vista wasn't good enough for me so I jumped in to a full W8-64 Pro version for less than $100.
Now because this game caters more to 90's xp users I can't play it properly now for several months, can't join fleets or gangs because at any moment client freeze and ends with a stupid loss, even a stupid high sec site with frig rats can finish with a BC loss...

I can play other stupid games like BlacklightRet requiring a lot more of hardware than Eve without lag or freeze, graphics on top, sound, Directx11, tessellation etc on top, but I can't play Eve with minimum graphic settings (GTX460-2GDDR5) without gaming issues and this really really sucks ass.

3months now this is not fix, this will not end well.

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Christopher AET
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-03-05 15:29:08 UTC
Eve is fairly processor heavy. While I cannot speak for missions my performance is much better since updating my cpu . AMD .FX8350

I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-03-05 17:38:34 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Do you even know what Interval settings do?

Sorry, I didn't mean to suggest that the interval setting would turn off the cloud effects. However, setting that to "Interval one" will tend to improve fps in general.



Interval one is a limiter on the number of FPS that a GPU will render. Example, a lite graphical environment your GPU could render 200fps causing GPU utilization to hit 100% for no good reason. Where in a heavily populated graphical environment that same GPU will only render 25FPS. Setting Interval one keeps the GPU from rendering 200FPS in the lite graphical environment lowering overall GPU utilization.

The issue with gas clouds has nothing to do with the interval. The particle count in them is so high as to cause GPU utilization to shoot through the roof while FPS crashes. The GPU is being overtaxed for no good reason.
You failed to tell him what that so called "limiter" actually represents ...
Psyche Atheos
Brown Operatives - L'Indian Division
Lollipops.
#32 - 2013-03-05 18:19:08 UTC
NO IM A GEEK
M'pact
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-03-05 18:24:17 UTC
The gas clouds have been a problem since they were introduced. For instance, if you were flying with a cloud in the background then your thruster flame would basically 'melt into' the cloud rendering. If you maneuvered the camera so the thrusters were outside the cloud, the flame would return to normal. I believe that particular problem was finally fixed something like a year later. Clouds reducing FPS was a problem back then too, so don't count on a quick resolution.

When I finally do make an impact on this universe, it will reverberate across the entirety of it, and no one will be able to truthfully claim they don't know me. - -

Until then, I'll just sit quietly over here, minding my own business...
Venom Xorium
Bigger than Jesus
#34 - 2013-03-05 18:54:13 UTC
Guys try turning off VSYNC...

I'm not running the most super insane computer possible in the world and I've still got 300+fps in all situations AT ALL TIMES.


theres nothing wrong with the gasclouds, its the vysnc thats messed up.
Orlacc
#35 - 2013-03-05 19:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Orlacc
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
So you play on a 90s Texas Instruments Calculator? Please tell me more! What?

FFS, EVE is probably one of the lightest games out there at the moment and people still find time to actually ***** about their own crappy, 20 year old calculator not being able to run the game properly in some cases.

CCP should just post up the MINIMUM requirements and tell you to **** OFF when you complain about the game and don't match up to those requirements.


I think YOU should "**** OFF". You do realize this game came out ~2003?
Some people started playing this game a long time ago and invested money and time in this game.
It is possible not to have enough to buy a 1000$+ computer and there should be an option to play without those fancy graphics.

About the clouds - yeah zooming out helps and i think I read similar things to previous poster, about this issue being looked at...


Do I realize that this game came out in 2003? Yes!
Do I realize that not all people will be able to buy new computers from time to time? Yes!
Do I think they should cater to people still using rigs from 2003? **** NO!

It comes up to a point where you simply can't add the smallest of things without breaking the gaming experience for someone using a computer that's 5/6 years old. Honestly, they do one hell of a job at that, as I can still play eve PERFECTLY with my old laptop and that thing is a dinosaur!

If the OP is having trouble playing EVE with everything set in minimum then I guess it's on him to get a ******* life and buy a new computer! :) (so sorry for saying what everyone else is thinking!)



Well I'm actually having the opposite problem and seems I'm not alone.

I change some of my hardware parts almost every 2 years so the rig keeps good performances and it's cheaper than buy everything at one time.
Last change was about OS, Vista wasn't good enough for me so I jumped in to a full W8-64 Pro version for less than $100.
Now because this game caters more to 90's xp users I can't play it properly now for several months, can't join fleets or gangs because at any moment client freeze and ends with a stupid loss, even a stupid high sec site with frig rats can finish with a BC loss...

I can play other stupid games like BlacklightRet requiring a lot more of hardware than Eve without lag or freeze, graphics on top, sound, Directx11, tessellation etc on top, but I can't play Eve with minimum graphic settings (GTX460-2GDDR5) without gaming issues and this really really sucks ass.

3months now this is not fix, this will not end well.



Just so you know, I play on a Win8 64-bit box and it benchmarks better than Win7....probably a hardware thing.
And yes, the clouds, particulary with bright lights, drops my rate in half.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Venom Xorium
Bigger than Jesus
#36 - 2013-03-05 20:04:05 UTC
Orlacc wrote:



Just so you know, I play on a Win8 64-bit box and it benchmarks better than Win7....probably a hardware thing.
And yes, the clouds, particulary with bright lights, drops my rate in half.


Turn OFF vsync....
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#37 - 2013-03-06 15:11:49 UTC
Venom Xorium wrote:
Guys try turning off VSYNC...

I'm not running the most super insane computer possible in the world and I've still got 300+fps in all situations AT ALL TIMES.


theres nothing wrong with the gasclouds, its the vysnc thats messed up.




You know that your eyes can't process anything more than 60fps, Its not Vsync its all about the particles my friend

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-03-06 16:02:05 UTC
Archa4 Badasaz wrote:
Obvious Cyno Alt wrote:
So you play on a 90s Texas Instruments Calculator? Please tell me more! What?

FFS, EVE is probably one of the lightest games out there at the moment and people still find time to actually ***** about their own crappy, 20 year old calculator not being able to run the game properly in some cases.

CCP should just post up the MINIMUM requirements and tell you to **** OFF when you complain about the game and don't match up to those requirements.


I think YOU should "**** OFF". You do realize this game came out ~2003?
Some people started playing this game a long time ago and invested money and time in this game.
It is possible not to have enough to buy a 1000$+ computer and there should be an option to play without those fancy graphics.

About the clouds - yeah zooming out helps and i think I read similar things to previous poster, about this issue being looked at...


Unlike other games that came out in 2003 Eve received an engine update. You can still play it on 2003 machines, if You set all grafic options to the lowest possible setting, no problem.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-03-06 16:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Ptraci wrote:
Roime wrote:
No, that's not what everyone else is thinking. The clouds cause a massive, unnecessary strain on the gfx card. It's so hard, that the fans on my card start spinning and I find that highly annoying.



Yup same here. And my "TI calculator" is in fact a water cooled quad core 4+GHz beast with TWO screaming 500 series nvidia cards and multiple gigabytes of video RAM. While my system doesn't come anywhere near melting or dropping frames, it does kick the fans up into high gear in those clouds and of course, Captain's quarters! Because displaying a couch and some screens uses up far more resources than say, Battlefield 3.


Afaik the EVE client is still a 32bit application, so as long as that doesn't change, even 200Gigabyte of RAM won't change anything as one client can only use as much as 2.4GB of that stuff. Sad but true. Unless ofc You want to run 150 Clients at once.

One off topic question:

for the last decade or so nearly all games have been multiplattform games, so they run on a PC, an XBOX 360 a PS3. So for the last 5 years or so the recommended hardware requiremens of those games were... sub standard.

Is there any game out there except ArmA II (ArmA III is still in Alpha) that actually requires one of the monsters You described above?

I really like to know, because honestly, upgrading the PC is neary as much fun as using it afterwards... :/

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Stan'din
Pandemic Alpha
#40 - 2013-03-07 12:38:52 UTC
Debora Tsung wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
Roime wrote:
No, that's not what everyone else is thinking. The clouds cause a massive, unnecessary strain on the gfx card. It's so hard, that the fans on my card start spinning and I find that highly annoying.



Yup same here. And my "TI calculator" is in fact a water cooled quad core 4+GHz beast with TWO screaming 500 series nvidia cards and multiple gigabytes of video RAM. While my system doesn't come anywhere near melting or dropping frames, it does kick the fans up into high gear in those clouds and of course, Captain's quarters! Because displaying a couch and some screens uses up far more resources than say, Battlefield 3.


Afaik the EVE client is still a 32bit application, so as long as that doesn't change, even 200Gigabyte of RAM won't change anything as one client can only use as much as 2.4GB of that stuff. Sad but true. Unless ofc You want to run 150 Clients at once.

One off topic question:

for the last decade or so nearly all games have been multiplattform games, so they run on a PC, an XBOX 360 a PS3. So for the last 5 years or so the recommended hardware requiremens of those games were... sub standard.

Is there any game out there except ArmA II (ArmA III is still in Alpha) that actually requires one of the monsters You described above?

I really like to know, because honestly, upgrading the PC is neary as much fun as using it afterwards... :/



The new crysis is apparenlty very taxing, friends GTX 670 overclocked has to make an effort to run with 16b ram to back it up

Your about as much use as a condom dispenser in the Vatican.
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