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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2013-03-05 14:23:09 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD. Shocked
great point of view.

another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")?

I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk Shocked


People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now.

one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears).

So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already.

Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here:
- not sure there is considerable amount of these players
- these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears".

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2013-03-05 14:32:33 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD. Shocked
great point of view.

another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")?

I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk Shocked


People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now.

one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears).

So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already.

Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here:
- not sure there is considerable amount of these players
- these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears".


Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-03-05 14:42:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.

well. maybe you right after all.

i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first).

However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-03-05 15:11:01 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
We already have an arena, its in Catch.

We call it HED.

been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one.

yea, this is something honourable like Arena Cool


That one ship died an honourable death!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#85 - 2013-03-05 15:14:48 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
We already have an arena, its in Catch.

We call it HED.

been there many times.... 20+ ships kill one.

yea, this is something honourable like Arena Cool


That one ship died an honourable death!



I've got the good game for you Lol

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#86 - 2013-03-05 15:27:28 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.

well. maybe you right after all.

i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first).

However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders.


:D

Dude your "pvp" is shooting pods in hisec, there are no worse bottom feeders than you :D just admit it, you don't like risk.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#87 - 2013-03-05 15:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
Lolled so much that I doubleposted.

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#88 - 2013-03-05 15:57:43 UTC
I cant imagine a worse idea!

I do not want WoW - f**king pink pony crap.

The non pvpers who want to pvp - they can find it, they can learn how to do it, like everyone else. Large scale in nullsec, medium scale in NPC null, small scale in lowsec. Just go and see what to do. Ask pirates if thats your thing, or anti pirates if thats isnt.

For those that wasnt t 1 on 1 - go to Sisi.
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-03-05 16:18:21 UTC
Rab See wrote:
I cant imagine a worse idea!

I do not want WoW - f**king pink pony crap.


Too late you already have graveyard camping and duel system, you know what is said in these moments: adapt or die

Rab See wrote:
The non pvpers who want to pvp - they can find it, they can learn how to do it, like everyone else. Large scale in nullsec, medium scale in NPC null, small scale in lowsec. Just go and see what to do. Ask pirates if thats your thing, or anti pirates if thats isnt.


You clearly haven't read the op and what we're talking about.

Tell us how would you get more pvp out of 0 pvp?
High sec players are not going to low sec nor null sec, so this represents 0 pvp and ships destruction.
How much would this 0 pvp change if those players could enjoy "tournament" like arenas?

Answer: nothing for said 0 low/null sec pvp, but more ships destroyed for another class of players you seem to completely despise, and for your information their money is as good as yours, if CCP is capable to run Tournaments and those are successful.
Expand it to "arenas" where more different sort of players can get involved and practice would be good for the game in the end since the initial problem is not PVP but shooting-ducks game so many around like to call it pvp.

Rab See wrote:
For those that wasnt t 1 on 1 - go to Sisi.


You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.

I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#90 - 2013-03-05 16:22:53 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:


You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.

I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?



Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-03-05 16:42:04 UTC
Roime wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.

well. maybe you right after all.

i have no such experience in MMO (Eve Online is my first).

However i can say: i would join Arena because i like to PvP but have no interest to meet bottom feeders.


:D

Dude your "pvp" is shooting pods in hisec, there are no worse bottom feeders than you :D

not really. pods are almost invulnerable if piloted right.

autopiloting freighters or afk mining miners are for bottom feeders.
alliance tech- fountains and reshipping programs is for bottom feeders.

Roime wrote:
just admit it, you don't like risk.

not right. i don't care about losing ships (and this can be seen in my KB). And i had some 1vs1 when i won and lost.

I shoot pods because i'm lazy and i like to kick bottom feeder's asses Cool

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2013-03-05 17:27:48 UTC
I hope to god this never happens. With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Mathrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2013-03-05 17:40:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

so basically you mean: what would please ALL players of this game is BAD. Shocked
great point of view.

another option: your "nobody" and "all" words mean just some group of Eve Online players? If this is right then give any reason why you automatically prefer another (let call it "second") group of players (who will not use this feature) to this group (let call it "first")?

I can guess this is because you are from second group who based on killing players from first one. And if they will evade your aggro you will need to fight players from seconds group which will make big risk Shocked


People will join the arena meaning less targets so more will join the arena to get fights meaning less targets meaning in order to find a fight you have to look even harder or click a button and join a fight now.

one note: people who enjoy Pvp in current style won't leave to arena (why will they?). So only people who will leave are those who don't like PvP in current state. It means they possibly don't engage in PvP already (so called carebears).

So again: there will be no loss of active PvPers. There will be only some increasing of PvP in arena from those who don't like (and possibly don't do) PvP in game already.

Yes. You can lose some targets. Who are they? There are people who want to do PvP but they are constantly getting roflstomped/griefed/camped/etc and at the result they are getting tired of PvP. And yes, when arena is present they will leave in-game PvP and went to "honourable" PvP on arena. There is few notes here:
- not sure there is considerable amount of these players
- these players will leave PvP at some point anyway. If there will be no Arena they will just leave the game or become "carebears".


Its a cascade effect and it will happen because it has happened every single time to every game that has added an arena. It will not add new pvpers because the people who dont pvp now will not pvp in the future for the exact same reasons they don't pvp now. The only people who will join the arena are the people who pvp now and that is how the cascade happens.


People are lazy. If we had arenas they would take the easy route and use those. Players with skill sets like combat scanning, FCing, hunting, evading, and camping would die out. New players who enter the game would use these arenas from there early days and thus never learn these skills or leave the arenas.

After long enough arenas would have the true 'F1 warriors'
brinelan
#94 - 2013-03-05 19:12:05 UTC
Isn't this whole game a pvp arena?
Bud Austrene
Secure Haven
#95 - 2013-03-05 19:35:25 UTC
Getsafe Aisak wrote:
If you want consensual PVP with no consequences there already is at least three options:
- Duels on trade hub undocks
- Red vs Blue in highsec
- Blue vs Blue in nullsec


I do not believe any of those in favor of CCP sponsored arenas have said anything about there being no consequences.

I do believe the the basic idea of the arena that is being put forth is based only on the idea of a level playing field.
That is a fair fight.

I personally, do not see any reason to change the consequences from what the PVP consequences are now.
And that is the loser, gets podded and loses his ship just as the loser does now.
The winner gets to loot and salvage the losers ship.

The only difference from the way PVP is now is that having an unfair advantage would not be permitted.
What would be considered an unfair advantage would have to be worked out, but superior numbers I am sure would not be allowed.

Yes I am an alt. I see no reason to make it easy for bullies and greifers

Cavalira
Habemus
#96 - 2013-03-05 20:00:10 UTC
World of Warcraft got Battlegrounds and Arenas.
If you look at the World of Warcraft world-pvp, you'll quickly realize it's even more dead than EVE Online.
Eventually we'll run into "combo" problems, which we can already see in the EVE tournaments and in WoW. You might end up with 4-5 decent setups that work well with the current balancing, and you'll continuously fight them.
Google Voices
Doomheim
#97 - 2013-03-05 20:21:47 UTC
What is that saying that people like so much?




"Adapt or die?"



I fail to see how an Arena would hurt EVE.

It would instead help it by providing an additional form of combat that some people might like.
People that don't like it, wouldn't ever have to be involved in it. Honor duels wouldn't appeal to gankers, pirates or lowsec, but then, how would it affect them negatively?

Would it draw people to the game you don't like? Certainly, but it would also drive more revenue, and perhaps get CCP off their collective butts, and back to work on actual expansions, and not fixing problems that have been in the game for a decade.

Besides, I fail to see how bringing more people to the game, people that you probably won't like, is a bad thing.....They will still undock, so your targets will multiple.....Shocked


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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#98 - 2013-03-05 22:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Sergeant Acht Scultz
baltec1 wrote:
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:


You really need to get out of you little world bubble and see by yourself what happens in SISI then use your brains to understand why there is no more people over there playing with free stuff.

I see a problem with your reasoning, SISI is risk free and you get stuff for free but players are not playing there, can you explain us why?



Because the people you are wanting arenas for do not exist. They never have and never will, the thing that stops them from doing pvp now will be the same thing that stops them in the furture no matter what you do.




No my friend, you don't want them to exist and you even refuse to admit they might exist, openly. It's not the same at all.

If there's no one on SISI it's because unlike you 150 year old crazy guys rabble all the time, players accept and like risks on TQ.
There's a huge difference in accepting risks when you log in and have not much of a choice than be the meat or the slave of whatever nerd.

You guys were wrongly mocking when guys asked a "duel" system, like you guys always moan and ***** about everything that touches your tràlàlà and right now bitching about this Arena thing with, yet again, same boring bad arguments a huge part of the community is bored to hell of reading or listening to.

Happy for us, people who actually care and like CCP and their product, since 2003 (I'm not playing since then) they have made their product evolve, add new content and done major game changes players never wanted anyway but finally like them.
This is how they made it get to the 10 year mark, by innovating some concepts a-la Icelandic sauce with their success and their less successful stuff, the arena concept is just another one they can get different, interesting, and yet another opportunity to offer new fun tools for their players and increase ships destruction.

Disclaimer: they will not make it mandatory, so you don't have to worry about.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-03-05 22:33:34 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
With all the pvp nerfing and making hisec into a safe playground this would just nail this even harder into death.



Yes, go ahead and tell us all what your brains told you, how much high sec would become risk freee yada ya, kitty online, blah blah blah, if there were Arenas in "tournament" like style.

Because I'm sure your omniscient abilities already knows how this would be implemented, and so bad for the game.

Roll

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Diesel47
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-03-06 00:44:57 UTC
You want a PvP arena?

How about I wardec your alliance for your bad posts?