Crime & Punishment

If I wanted your grammar advice I'd ask for it. "Extortion is the (illegal) obtaining of money, goods or services via force, or threat of force." This is exactly what you guys do, regardless what wording you use to justify you corrupt code. Criminal's have have been making excusing for there crime's to justify there actions for years. The Code Alliance is no different.

Non-consensual grammar advice - it brings out the voyeur in me.

1. What the New Order does is not illegal.

2. ISK are neither money, goods, nor services.

3. It is hard to fathom how anything done in a game involving imaginary spaceships could be construed as force.

Recap: I firework miners to test reactions, cos it provides laughs, and cos it's friendly and nice when I don't feel like shooting things.


It is a lot of fun. It's amusing to see how many miners panic. I imagine their first ganking or venture to low sec is going to lead to many changed pants if they can't handle ~600m/s missiles (they're 1000m/s but they don't fly direct) and firework displays.

I think the funniest moment was when I warped into an ice field and there's a heavy interdictor(!) "guarding" a group of barges... at warp in point... yeah.
So this hic tries to bump me out of the vicinity and when I evade and come back, it and half the barges yellowbox me. Had a lot of fun giving that ship the runaround and random fireworking of him and the barges. Was hoping someone would aggress out of irritation but sadly not.


Please do! Out of the perhaps 120 miners I've fireworked, only a single one has said hello and thanks for the light display. On the odd occasion when I've tried to convo players there's usually a bit of a delay and then a rejection. Again, this is both in rock and ice fields. I've fireworked people who are actively chatting in local and they say nothing to me. I've even fireworked people who have thrown huge shitfits over on minerbumping's blog and nothing.


I specifically pick on people who would've recieved a festival launcher at christmas so they know what it is, and leave newer players alone simply because they're likely already overwhelmed by the game, probably don't understand crimewatch completely, and don't need to be scared shitless by missiles from a ship that doesn't get concorded. So everyone I'm talking about are 2+ month players.

Fireworks, playing around, entertainment to literally brighten mining up = silent.
And yet bump some of them so they lose a bit of ice = a shitfit so big you'd think someone had killed their cat.

Long quote, but important, so I didn't snip it. :)

See that's the thing, I already tank (previous posting with one of the fits I use) and I already pay attention to local unless it's just boringly dead, then I will sometimes carry on an entire conversation with my accounts talking to one another, calling each other newbs, playing bump the miner among themselves and "betting" on who will crash into who next as they orbit the orca (something new i started doing just for S&Gs) and I'll even do a few, "Pay up (insert toon name)" and "isks sent" comments/replies when one of them crashes into another.

see, I like to have fun and make that which is generally boring not as boring.
been doing that long before the "code" people ever showed up.

now on the permit thing..
it's not that I "cannot bring myself" to buy one, heck, I stated that were the miner bumpers following a code that actually adhered to the base of and worked solely toward getting rid of bot miners that I would more than likely donate a tidy sum to them and tell them up front that my people do not and will not bot mine...
I don't recall if I said an exact amount or a general figure, but trust me when I tell you that me giving away even half a billion or more isk to help get rid of the garbage in the alley (bot miners) and remove the non-legitimate macro'd competition for the ores I want and need to make my business more profitable and/or a bit smoother would be an investment that I wouldn't bat an eye at doing.
and it would be way more than a paltry 70m to cover my 7 accounts for a year.

I simply won't buy one as long at the outward appearance is that the permit fee is just a way to gain cash and wrapping it in the veil of some circular code is just a way to legitimize what would by any other definition be nothing but good old extortion.

I do appreciate the replies and I really hope this thread lasts a while because I meant it when I said that some of the stuff I've read in this thread is priceless. :)

Including some of the miner tears (*shrug* what can I say, some of that was funny stuff)

o/
Celly

Oh and PS.
Good advice on Jita local...

and didn't see the extortion convo when I replied to this, but won't change the wording because semantics aside, the base is still the same "do this or else." :P

not necessarily, eve is the wild wild west of space therefore they would have no legal right other then shooting at you. It doesn't matter what you call it or how you justify it, it will still be extortion.

Reminds of the time on fallen earth when they released a new patch with bigger guns.The clan was called remove patch 2.5, if you didn't join them, they griefing the hell out of you to you either did or quit. That was soon fixed by the GM banning said griefing and the problem was fixed.

Extortion? In MY New Order? It's less likely than you think!

We simply provide stern, yet loving, guidance to those that require it.

I can see we're coming at this from such different places that we'll never agree. Illegal, to me, means against the (real life) law. I'm sure there are ways to break (real life) laws while playing EVE, but selling imaginary mining permits to allow imaginary miner characters in imaginary exhumers to mine imaginary minerals from imaginary rocks without imagining getting attacked by other imaginary ships is not one of them.

The difference between ISK and money will become obvious to you when you get hungry and need to buy food. And the ships you can buy with ISK are not really ships at all, just database entries.

If you consider ANYTHING that has ever happened to you in EVE to be force, then I'd say you are a very lucky person who has never experienced true force. Honestly, how can anyone in EVE "force" you to do anything you don't want to do? If you truly feel threatened in the game by the (in-game) actions of another player, then you are failing to distinguish between fantasy and reality. I'd want to get that taken care of asap.

the fact that manny and his alliance claim that everything they do is role playing, I Keep and use my agreements accordingly. Though I am glad he can distinguish between the two. If that means using rl examples to make my point I do.