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Multiboxingsoftware... Y ?

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Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#1 - 2013-03-05 13:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Razefummel
Why is ist alowed zu use Software for "Ship-steering" ?

It dosn´t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships and imitate my behavior.

In my opinion both Group of Players should be removed from Eve.

All that i don´t can use with my own both Hands, i should´t use.

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Destination SkillQueue
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#2 - 2013-03-05 13:10:16 UTC
Razefummel wrote:


It dosn´t make sense. Just because the software imitates my mouse movements? That is exacty what an Bot would to too, steering Ships and imitate my behavior.


Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-03-05 13:15:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike.

The other characters beyond the first don't require interaction. The only difference between a bot and input copying is that in one 20/20 characters can be automated and in the other 19/20 can be. It's not a significant difference at all IMO.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-03-05 13:27:43 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
It's not a significant difference at all IMO.


With a bot you can farm and be 100% efficient 24/7 with ZERO game interaction. You don't get more significant then that.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2013-03-05 13:31:32 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
The other characters beyond the first don't require interaction. The only difference between a bot and input copying is that in one 20/20 characters can be automated and in the other 19/20 can be.
…aside from the fact that with multiboxing, there is no automation — without a player feeding input into the clients and responding to the environment, those other 19 characters would do absolutely nothing. A character that doesn't do anything without player input isn't particularly automated, now is it?
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#6 - 2013-03-05 13:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Razefummel
Sentamon wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
It's not a significant difference at all IMO.


With a bot you can farm and be 100% efficient 24/7 with ZERO game interaction. You don't get more significant then that.


The Point is:

Razefummel wrote:
...

All that i don´t can use with my own both Hands, i should´t use.

...


Tippia wrote:
[quote=Jensaro Koraka]...
without a player feeding input into the clients and responding to the environment, those other 19 characters would do absolutely nothing.


The 19 Characters wouldn´t do anything without the Software either... so what?

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#7 - 2013-03-05 13:38:10 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Destination SkillQueue wrote:
Imitation requires a player to actively play the game for anything to happen. A bot will play the game without requiring any interaction from a player. As you can see they're nothing alike.

The other characters beyond the first don't require interaction. The only difference between a bot and input copying is that in one 20/20 characters can be automated and in the other 19/20 can be. It's not a significant difference at all IMO.


Will the other characters beyond the first do anything without interaction? No they will not, so they do require interaction. None of those accounts plays the game differently from a normal player. With botting no interaction is required, actions can be performed at inhuman levels and at inhuman duration. The fact you don't consider such fundamental differences significant doesn't mean the two activities are anything alike. It just means you're either incapable of noticing or understanding the significance of those differences.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2013-03-05 13:42:04 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
The 19 Characters wouldn´t do anything without the Software either... so what?
…so they're not automated.
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#9 - 2013-03-05 13:46:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Razefummel wrote:
The 19 Characters wouldn´t do anything without the Software either... so what?
…so they're not automated.


You don´t get the Point, do you?

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Tippia
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#10 - 2013-03-05 13:54:33 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
You don´t get the Point, do you?
Sure I do. The point is that multiboxing isn't automation — the accounts don't do anything without continual input.

Inactivity due to lack of continuous input and control = no automation. Very simple.
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Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-03-05 14:00:13 UTC
Razefummel wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Razefummel wrote:
The 19 Characters wouldn´t do anything without the Software either... so what?
…so they're not automated.


You don´t get the Point, do you?


It's quite clear my friend that YOU don't get the point.
Rengerel en Distel
#12 - 2013-03-05 14:03:37 UTC
Thank you OP for starting a new thread about this, as I'm sure everyone else was getting tired of that multi-page thread already covering this topic to death.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-03-05 14:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Razefummel wrote:

The 19 Characters wouldn´t do anything without the Software either... so what?


About the only thing you'll be multi-boxing 19 characters on is Ice. The ISK gain for this is so horribly bad that ff this is something you do, consider going to the corner and crying in shame.

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Micheal Dietrich
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#14 - 2013-03-05 14:29:20 UTC
Is this the new FOTM whine? I think this is like the 4th thread I seen since yesterday.

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Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-03-05 14:32:10 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Is this the new FOTM whine? I think this is like the 4th thread I seen since yesterday.


I believe it is, nerf hisec/lowsec/nullsec threads are so passé...
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#16 - 2013-03-05 14:48:34 UTC
It is nice to see a thread about something else than AFK cloaky whine. So refreshing...

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Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#17 - 2013-03-05 15:21:36 UTC
Ok, we have 2 Differences between Bots and Multiboxing Software:

1. They are not 24/7 online.
2. An Player has to play ONE Character.

Seems its such an huge difference between someone wich has 20 Miners running via Bot and plays 1 Character as he wishes to.
Ok, he uses another Software, but he USES Software to get an advantige to Players wich don´t do. I can´t beive that this is the "New" Eden wich CCP has dreamed of...
Third Party Software wich is able to steering Characters, dosn´t matter how, should be banned out of Game.

Funny that all Players in EVE are protesting against AURUM-Ammunition/-Ships/-What ever, Botting an so on, but using Software for Character-Steering is stil legit.

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Klymer
Hedion University
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#18 - 2013-03-05 15:50:16 UTC
Seriously, another thread on this?

If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads.
Razefummel
Unknown Dimension
#19 - 2013-03-05 15:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Razefummel
Klymer wrote:
Seriously, another thread on this?

If duplication = botting as some idiots believe then I call for the banning of people creating duplicate threads.



"Buhu... cry me a River." is that your Argument?

Ok, lets get serious.

My Argument is that softwarebased Character steering with an third Party Software should be generel bannable for a good Reason.
My Argument didn´t include the "How does the Software work?" because it dosn´t matter.

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Klymer
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#20 - 2013-03-05 16:15:02 UTC
My argument is simply that we don't need multiple threads on the same topics over and over again.

But then this is GD....








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