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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2013-03-05 00:20:09 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Want to kill Eve.

Nerf High Sec into the ground and cater to the hypocrites. First to go will be the economy. Then Sub numbers will drop steadily.

The game will go down hill but the QQ along the way will be glorious. I would keep my subs long enough to see the end though.

/popcorn

This is what will not be happening, of course.

Rather, we will buff highsec's safety. Consensual wars only !

There has got to be a way to take out a POS. How about: No sov, no POS, no war. But put up a structure and you open yourself up to war. Then add in the POS revamp so there can be new, smaller structures all over high sec. Things worth defending, but are easy to set up and blow up.

No, it must be as safe as producing for almost no cost in an NPC station where you cannot be caught except by a ganker if you are stupid enough to cram far too much stuff in your freighter.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#62 - 2013-03-05 00:30:17 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
No, it must be as safe as producing for almost no cost in an NPC station where you cannot be caught except by a ganker if you are stupid enough to cram far too much stuff in your freighter.



I'd like to see things change with High-sec manufacturing. Ideally pushing people out to using POS (which people who run the numbers do anyway)

Though I'd hate to see it negatively impact on the competitiveness of newbies, when it comes to the prices of the things they make.

/Having/ to have a POS is not good.

The first few thoughts that comes to mind are:

Limit how many slots a character can use per station. 4, perhaps.

Restrict Scientific Networking/Supply Chain Management to only working with POS. So you have to be in station with NPC slots.

Not too annoying for someone starting out. Annoying as hell for a serious manufacturer.


Maybe add on a time multiplier for NPC corps. Doesn't boost costs (much) so doesn't impact raw profit margins, does reduce isk/hr.

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Crexa
Ion Industrials
#63 - 2013-03-05 00:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Crexa
I despise wardecs without cause. Point in fact, I have never war dec'ed anyone ever. That said, any attempt to remove them would result not only in the OP un-subbing but myself. It would rank right up there in the list of the dumbest moves made by CCP if it were to ever happen.

The game needs more interaction not less. Even if it means that interaction is forced pvp (or lack there-of). It is of my opinion that the game needs more pvp and any consideration to remove part of what the game has now is crazy talk. If the big blue donut "aka. null-sec pvp" were more fun, consideration of any other pvp removal or revamp would be less difficult to swallow.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#64 - 2013-03-05 00:45:58 UTC
Crexa wrote:
I despise wardecs without cause. Point in fact, I have never war dec'ed anyone ever. That said, any attempt to remove them would result not only in the OP un-subbing but myself. It would rank right up there in the list of the dumbest moves made by CCP if it were to ever happen.

The game needs more interaction not less. Even if it means that interaction is forced pvp (or lack there-of). It is of my opinion that the game needs more pvp and any consideration to remove part of what the game has now is crazy talk. If the big blue donut "aka. null-sec pvp" were more fun, consideration of any other pvp removal or revamp would be less difficult to swallow.



How about war decs to spook your target into tearing down their towers. so you can them bump them off and nick them when they unanchor, before the wardec goes live?

(never again. Next time, it's a dickstar)

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-03-05 00:56:57 UTC
Although I have no interest in this thread in and itself I feel it is worth mentioning that as a representative of TheMittani.com people are making out that this is from a pen of Mittens himself, supposedly like every article on the site.

The article in question is the view and opinion of the honourable James_315 leader of the new order.

You may now return to your mindless prattle.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#66 - 2013-03-05 00:57:36 UTC
Or Op you can

Go to null sec be part of a mega meta coalition.. and be at war with every form of life in null sec ( or be blue with tehm)
Or enlist in the FW and shoot this ........ caldaris....
or create a Site/forum Where corpo and alliance want consensual pvp and mastering the all ..



but .....

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
YuuKnow
The Scope
#67 - 2013-03-05 01:41:11 UTC
I'm not sure if what you call the current war-dec system even "war".

War has winners, losers, and stalemates. War has consequences and gains. War has motivation and ambition.

Right now all wars don't have any real gains...

... maybe if there were POCOS in high sec and wars were fought over control of PI, or maybe POS rights could be gained on lost in wars then it could actually have consequences, but as it is now, its really a nothing.

yk
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-03-05 04:01:59 UTC  |  Edited by: March rabbit
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
"..CCP and the CSM have been feverishly discussing the total elimination of non-consensual wardecs, too."

WTF?

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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-03-05 05:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
"..CCP and the CSM have been feverishly discussing the total elimination of non-consensual wardecs, too."

WTF?

Now I'm not one to normally say "If 'x' happens I will resign my subscription", but if this asshattery happens I will.

I put about $400-500 annually into the EVE universe (above subscriptions) because I can't be bothered humping asteroids or day trading to fund my pvp. CCP needs to ask itself, do you want to lose players like me on your road to nerfdom?

(I almost quit when can-flipping and ganking got nerfed, doing this is without a doubt the last straw for me...)

p.s.
Yes, if this happens, someone can have my stuff.

F


I agree consensual only wars would be horrible. If it's true I can't believe the devs are even considering it. This is NOT the CCP I know.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#70 - 2013-03-05 05:44:39 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I agree consensual only wars would be horrible. If it's true I can't believe the devs are even considering it. This is NOT the CCP I know.

But this is the CCP leading us down the path to a utopian future, where NPCs, who are much more reliable and cheaper, will take care of us.

"Take care"

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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#71 - 2013-03-05 07:20:23 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
In order to force people to fight you have to first force them to log in. How do you plan on doing that?

one solution is declaring war on a small hisec alliance or a hisaec carebear corp with a couple hundred members.
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#72 - 2013-03-05 09:05:29 UTC
Does anyone else feel that all this rumour mongering is just a smoke screen to deflect attention away from the Blue Donut and emergence of, apparently, consensual structure fights in sov null? The presence of the usual Ministry of Truth suspects posting in this thread only helps to reinforce this.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#73 - 2013-03-05 12:50:28 UTC
Dear miners and mission runners you do realize this change would render your mission loot and and ore worth even less?Attention

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-03-05 13:45:27 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:

I agree consensual only wars would be horrible. If it's true I can't believe the devs are even considering it. This is NOT the CCP I know.


You're right, its a James315 concocted strawCCP. He is quite the troll.

And I think a lot of people are missing the point of the CSM discussion.
No one is really gaining much from the current wardec situation, apart from RvB, other consensual wars, and the odd one here and there like the ones against BNI and Eve Uni. Most veteran indys and miners are smart enough to use a dec shield or NPC corp, so the only viable targets are other pvpers and newbies who either don't mind being at war or don't know how to avoid it.

When someone can sensibly answer the question of why a pure indy corp would want to participate in a defensive war, then you'll be a bit closer to fixing pvp vs indy wardecs.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#75 - 2013-03-05 15:00:09 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:

I agree consensual only wars would be horrible. If it's true I can't believe the devs are even considering it. This is NOT the CCP I know.


You're right, its a James315 concocted strawCCP. He is quite the troll.

And I think a lot of people are missing the point of the CSM discussion.
No one is really gaining much from the current wardec situation, apart from RvB, other consensual wars, and the odd one here and there like the ones against BNI and Eve Uni. Most veteran indys and miners are smart enough to use a dec shield or NPC corp, so the only viable targets are other pvpers and newbies who either don't mind being at war or don't know how to avoid it.

When someone can sensibly answer the question of why a pure indy corp would want to participate in a defensive war, then you'll be a bit closer to fixing pvp vs indy wardecs.


That's the tricky part, coming up with incentive to participate while still preserving the fact that you do not want to lose if possible.

Coming up with incentives for the winner is easy, coming up with incentives for the loser... not so much.

Still, it's not an impossible task... but it may take someone more clever than myself to figure out a workable sollution.

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Athena Maldoran
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-03-05 15:43:17 UTC
I think removing wardecks is a good thing, but only if you found solutions for removing structures and such in highsec.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#77 - 2013-03-05 16:08:13 UTC
Athena Maldoran wrote:
I think removing wardecks is a good thing, but only if you found solutions for removing structures and such in highsec.

1) Keep war decs, but only allow them for corps that have a structure.
2) War dec the structure. If you do not actually aggrerss the structure, the war is canceled.
3) Economic warfare. The structure rental slot goes to the highest bidder.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#78 - 2013-03-05 16:18:34 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:

I agree consensual only wars would be horrible. If it's true I can't believe the devs are even considering it. This is NOT the CCP I know.


You're right, its a James315 concocted strawCCP. He is quite the troll.

And I think a lot of people are missing the point of the CSM discussion.
No one is really gaining much from the current wardec situation, apart from RvB, other consensual wars, and the odd one here and there like the ones against BNI and Eve Uni. Most veteran indys and miners are smart enough to use a dec shield or NPC corp, so the only viable targets are other pvpers and newbies who either don't mind being at war or don't know how to avoid it.

When someone can sensibly answer the question of why a pure indy corp would want to participate in a defensive war, then you'll be a bit closer to fixing pvp vs indy wardecs.


A pure indy corp is a pure indy corp because its members get no pleasure from PvP space combat. For them its not a fun activity, its just a big pile of stress. In general we all play games to have fun. Why participate in a game activity that get you nothing but stress? My conclusion: There is in fact nothing that would get a pure indy corp to participate in a war.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2013-03-05 16:19:32 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Athena Maldoran wrote:
I think removing wardecks is a good thing, but only if you found solutions for removing structures and such in highsec.

1) Keep war decs, but only allow them for corps that have a structure.
2) War dec the structure. If you do not actually aggrerss the structure, the war is canceled.
3) Economic warfare. The structure rental slot goes to the highest bidder.

I see what you're upto, you actually want people to be losing structures even in highsec.

I expect your plan has a DecShield-like exploit allowing the defending corp enough time to take everything out of their POS or shed the wardec before the structure is ~actually~ threatened. Otherwise no.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#80 - 2013-03-05 16:21:33 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
Athena Maldoran wrote:
I think removing wardecks is a good thing, but only if you found solutions for removing structures and such in highsec.

1) Keep war decs, but only allow them for corps that have a structure.
2) War dec the structure. If you do not actually aggrerss the structure, the war is canceled.
3) Economic warfare. The structure rental slot goes to the highest bidder.


God I hope you're just trolling.........Ugh

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