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Coms channel for Minmatar pilots and allies.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-03-04 10:28:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
Rodj Blake wrote:

What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?


It is rude of me but I shall answer for Ava, and if I am wrong I expect that she will correct and chastise me rightly. Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool. And loathe, should I be proven wrong consider me a cretin.

I however am finding the rules of entry foggy. You know, Ava, that I am engaged in a hostile relationship with Electus Matari and her Republic. But I am a friend of the Minmatar people and the Sebiestor are my highest priority. So, Ava, will you acknowledge that or would I be denied access?

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#22 - 2013-03-04 17:49:13 UTC
Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.

Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Thank you all.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Turgai Oyugun
Doomheim
#23 - 2013-03-04 21:03:02 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.

Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Thank you all.


Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery.

We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion".
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#24 - 2013-03-04 21:11:13 UTC
Turgai Oyugun wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.

Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Thank you all.


Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery.

We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion".


While a bit draconian, I can sympathize. From a purely biological standpoint, there are many who can be called Civire, Sebiestor, Achur or whatever. In all those cases, this isn't enough to earn those badges though. I could so easily cease to be Caldari. I could join the enemy and become something else entirely. A Guri, a Feddie, or whatever else that'd throw aside the cultural aspects of my identity.

For better or for worse, it seems that the Empire has had a significant impact on the Minmatar cultural aspects, one of which seems (understandably) to focus on that silly faith and more importantly on the slavery aspects of their enemy.

Would someone devoted to the Amarrian faith be counted as a Minmatar identity? Not everyone seem to think so, and as a Caldari who's been teetering on the edge of our own identity I can certainly understand that. Many things are quite simply not acceptable from someone if they're to call themselves Caldari. The same seems to hold true to any other badge you'd try and wear.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2013-03-04 22:15:33 UTC
Turgai Oyugun wrote:
Ava Starfire wrote:
Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.

Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Thank you all.


Then they are no longer Matari if they follow a faith based on slavery.

We are not just defined by our race, but our history,beliefs, tradition and experience. You cannot be Matari and follow the Amarrian "religion".


The Amarrian Faith is not based on slavery.

The Amarrian Tradition however, is.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#26 - 2013-03-05 01:43:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ava Starfire
And if part of the channel's purpose is to enable ALL Minmatar an avenue to reconnect to their lost heritage?

I do not wish to shun any Matari based on their current belief.

I would hope they would gain some insight and a deeper understanding through conversing with myself and others, and decide to return home.

A Minmatar slave who was raised to follow the Amarrian religion can be expected to know nothing else. I will NOT turn my back on such individuals, because some extremist points of view might say I should. Do those of you crying for "freedom" intend to free these individuals, and then shun them?

If so, please seek a shaman at your earliest convenience. Your spirit is in need of guidance.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#27 - 2013-03-05 02:48:23 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
And if part of the channel's purpose is to enable ALL Minmatar an avenue to reconnect to their lost heritage?

I do not wish to shun any Matari based on their current belief.

I would hope they would gain some insight and a deeper understanding through conversing with myself and others, and decide to return home.

A Minmatar slave who was raised to follow the Amarrian religion can be expected to know nothing else. I will NOT turn my back on such individuals, because some extremist points of view might say I should. Do those of you crying for "freedom" intend to free these individuals, and then shun them?

If so, please seek a shaman at your earliest convenience. Your spirit is in need of guidance.


You've always been very wise, shaman. This is a wonderful idea and I'm so happy to see that you've started it :) I hope that I will one day be able to attend and watch.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2013-03-05 08:03:03 UTC
Halete wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?

...Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool...



So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-03-05 08:14:58 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith?


This is a simple question for me, personally. The answer is absolutely yes. It couldn't be much simpler than that.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Conventia Underking
Underking Family
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2013-03-05 08:40:57 UTC
I have visited before and hopefully I will be able to visit again. Thanks for the posting, Shaman Surionen.

For God; Salvation is Imperative, but not at the cost of our Humanity!

The Vitoc Problem - Conventia Underking

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#31 - 2013-03-06 16:26:39 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Halete wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?

...Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool...



So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith?


What the hell does one have to do with the other? Would you like to apologize for spawning the EoM, Blood Raiders and enabling Sansha Kuvakei?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Audrial
Fly By Night Corporation
#32 - 2013-03-13 16:13:07 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Your attempt to speak ancient Gallentean sucks as much as your logic, Caine. Please go back to torturing, kidnapping and killing innocents and leave the rest of us decent people in peace.

Maybe you should start your own channel for slavers. At least you wouldn't get perma-banned from that one.


I am indeed interested in this channel, having only within days realized my own true freedom. It is a slow and arduous process of learning and, in all truthfulness, reprogramming oneself to deal with how to proceed in this new role. Perhaps I can learn more about my freedom and abilities as I step into this new reality.

I have made a start by separating myself from those that I've been close to in the past through my slavery and it is a very difficult process, and I fear perhaps hurtful to those with whom I separate myself, but one that I must take to ensure my continued progress.

It is important for me to say, however, that I have known Mr. Caine for a period of time and I've never seen him torture, kidnap nor kill anyone. I wouldn't feel right if I didn't speak my mind to that end. It is not that I am defending him, but rather sharing what I've witnessed with my own eyes.

xxxxooooxxxxooooxxxx Audrial

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2013-03-13 20:31:25 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Halete wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:

What about Minmatar who don't own slaves but come from a religious background?

...Of course they would be, we believe in freedom of faith, you cretinous fool...



So you would be willing to condemn the murders of Abel Jarek and the other religious Minmatar who have been martyred for their faith?


What the hell does one have to do with the other? Would you like to apologize for spawning the EoM, Blood Raiders and enabling Sansha Kuvakei?


I wholeheartedly condemn the actions of the EoM, all Sani Sabik (including the Blood Raiders) and the Sansha. I have already done so many times in the past.

Will you similarly condemn those who murdered Abel Jarek?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#34 - 2013-03-13 21:12:50 UTC
Of course I condemn them, Admiral. Religious persecution has no place within our society. While I vehemently disagree with your religion I would be a hypocrite if I didn't recognize the rights of others to practice it.

Do I like the fact that some Matari have converted to the religion of their oppressors? No.
Does that justify violence being perpetrated against those practicing said religion? Again, no.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-03-13 22:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
But the question remains: will religious Minmatar be allowed into this channel?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#36 - 2013-03-13 22:26:19 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
But the question remains: will religious Minmatar be allowed into this channel?


With respect, sir, it was answered in a previous post.

Ava Starfire wrote:
Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#37 - 2013-03-14 03:48:45 UTC
Rodj, in your mad dash to extract an answer to one question, you seem to have missed an answer to your question.

Makes me wonder how many other answers you have similarly overlooked?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Audrial
Fly By Night Corporation
#38 - 2013-03-14 12:48:46 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Halete, well said, and yes, you would certainly be permitted. Please, join us.

Minmatar who follow the Amarrian faith are quite welcome to join, unless, of course, they are involved in slavery.

Thank you all.


Thank you for this. It would be good to find others who also seek to better understand the Scriptures and who embrace the faith and strive daily to embrace them in our lives. While I have not a full understanding, I can only hope in time, and perhaps by speaking with others with similar beliefs, my true purpose.

For as it is quoted:

"In the beginning all things were as one.
God parted them and breathed life into his creation
Divided the parts and gave each its place
And unto each, bestowed purpose"
- The Scriptures, Book I 1:4

xxxxooooxxxxooooxxxx Audrial

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2013-03-16 09:31:22 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Rodj, in your mad dash to extract an answer to one question, you seem to have missed an answer to your question.

Makes me wonder how many other answers you have similarly overlooked?


Thank you for pointing this out.

I shall have my TLDR slave flogged in a humane manner immediately.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Cain Aloga
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#40 - 2013-03-22 20:44:26 UTC
My brothers and I are glad to have found this, We shall join this comm channel when the time permits.

While our warriors fight for our people's freedom, we in turn should fight for our people's prosperity.

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