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We have to pay through Nexon from next April. Question from a "Japan based player"

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Tivookz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2011-10-28 10:37:39 UTC
Texty wrote:
NOTE : This post has nothing to do with the majority of EVE players.

Thanks CCP for the rather disappointing Email (scroll down for English text). It has finally been revealed that we "Japan based players (anyone living in Japan)" are forced to pay through Nexon using Nexon points. Any other paying methods will be denied from next April. So, how much is it going to be ? The Email says nothing about the actual price and it worries me a lot.

Last time I bought the 6 month subscription, it was approximately Y956 per month (6 month subscription $71.7 * Y80 / 6 months, "Y" for yen). Since most Korean MMO companies tend to charge Japanese customers around Y3,000 per month (Linage, AION, TERA, etc. which is extremely expensive compared to most Japanese subscription style MMOs), I guess we must be prepared for paying something like $40 per month from next April ? And in that case, for the existing "Japan based players" who are happy with EVE just the way it currently is, that extra Y2,000 or so is going to be nothing but an enforced donation to Nexon since we have never wanted any Nexon ID nor Nexon points, Do they have anything else to offer? No.

And if its really going to be Y3,000 per month, you might as well add (only for "Japan based players" of course :p) something like this or this to NeX store, since I'm quite sure that the current Incarna avatars aren't f***y enough to attract the new coming Y3,000 paying Nexon friendly so called "moe pig" Japanese players who are accustomed to those kind of price tags.

Well, I guess it's Nexon and not CCP that decides the actual price but who cares. I hope this enforcement brings something good enough with it to make up for the massive disappointment and the feeling of unreliability the Japanese EVE player community is currently experiencing.

Excuse me for any grammatical errors.


To sum it all up; me no rikey? yes?
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-10-28 10:47:05 UTC
I got an official answer to my petition.

"
• We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP´s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.

• Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.

Kind regards,
CCP Games, Japan Team
"

Well, this is just great...
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#83 - 2011-10-28 10:54:34 UTC
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
I got an official answer to my petition.

"
• We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP´s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.

• Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.

Kind regards,
CCP Games, Japan Team
"

Well, this is just great...


so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?

OMG when can i get a pic here
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#84 - 2011-10-28 10:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Hirana Yoshida wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
...They can't block you based on your IP, because I could be visiting japan with my laptop or working there and be blocked for "not having nexon points"...

You need to read the links that accompany these kinds of threads
Nexon/CCP eMail wrote:
Please note, however, that all players will need to establish an additional Nexon ID which will be used exclusively for billing and billing support. In short, the only change to existing account and login procedure is that after April 1, 2012 an additional login step will be added for players to access Nexon’s convenient and secure payment system. The change above will apply to all players residing in Japan regardless of nationality.

They are selling our Japanese brothers up the Han (Korean river .. get it? .. me so clever).


I see well my bad, so players based in japan, even temporary will need to fake their ip?

Edit: The more I think about it the more of a dumb move this seems, it also explains why there is absolutly no dev blog about this because they know it would be a "sensitive issue". I can understand having to go through nexon, but people who want their account and their english client just as it is now should not be blocked and forced to go through a third party. Especially when they don't use the services of that party.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2011-10-28 11:04:47 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
I got an official answer to my petition.

"
• We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP´s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.

• Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.

Kind regards,
CCP Games, Japan Team
"

Well, this is just great...


so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?


I didn't ask about GTC in my petition but I am too scared to ask now.
It could be a temporary loophole, but "NEXON" wants any holes filled up quickly and mercilessly.
I am sure they will do something that blocks the use of GTC from Japan as well...
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#86 - 2011-10-28 11:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Tommy Laughingface wrote:
I got an official answer to my petition.

"
• We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP´s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.

• Direct payments to CCP will no longer be available, all payments must go through Nexon.

Kind regards,
CCP Games, Japan Team
"

Well, this is just great...


so how does that relate to plex's and gtc for you guys then? cant use them as they dont go through nexon?


I didn't ask about GTC in my petition but I am too scared to ask now.
It could be a temporary loophole, but "NEXON" wants any holes filled up quickly and mercilessly.
I am sure they will do something that blocks the use of GTC from Japan as well...


you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account

OMG when can i get a pic here
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#87 - 2011-10-28 11:11:07 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:

you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account


What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#88 - 2011-10-28 11:13:34 UTC
Easy enough to say that if you use the national system the rules apply so you'd have to go through a VPN or something to bypass it .. which I sincerely hope all embassies are doing already or they are just begging to be hacked.
Perramas
DreddNaut
#89 - 2011-10-28 11:14:02 UTC
Quick CCP grab another loaded gun, you still have a couple of toes left.

Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people- Eleanor Roosevelt

Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#90 - 2011-10-28 11:14:21 UTC
Ciar Meara wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account


What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?



lol funny i know a few people in the us miltary stationed in japan. not sure how this will effect there $ billed accounts

OMG when can i get a pic here
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#91 - 2011-10-28 11:24:51 UTC
Interview CCP & Nexon @ Game Watch wrote:

Game Watch : About the charges. Existing players are subscribing directly to CCP using their credit cards, or (adding game time by) buying PLEX, or play for free by earning ISK in game. Will the launch of EVE in Japan affect this in any way ?

NEXON : We would like to have you use Nexon points to buy PLEX. Announcements for the existing players will be done by CCP.

Game Watch : Are existing players able to maintain their current paying method after Nexons launch ?

NEXON : We have to say it must be changed at a certain point. We can not tell you the technical details but if you are recognized as a Japan-based player, we will have you sign up for a Nexon ID and pay via Nexon points. How ever, buying PLEX in game will not be affected.

Game Watch : I see. So almost all existing (Japan-based) players will be affected ?

NEXON : Yes.

CCP : This matter is of very high importance so we will make sure that existing players are informed before we put it into effect.


This is from an interview posted on Game Watch (a Japanese gaming site), shortly after we received the Email I mentioned in OP. It's in Japanese and the translation was done by me so it's pretty bad and I can't promise you its accuracy. I hope it gives you some ideas of the circumstances.
Ogopogo Mu
O C C U P Y
#92 - 2011-10-28 11:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ogopogo Mu
Out of curiosity I took a quick look through a few Nexon games' technical support forums.

Holy crap.

Japanese players may want to consider spoofing a US IP. You're probably less likely to be banned for a fake IP than because of a false "suspicious activity" flag on your Nexon account. This would probably not bother you too much as all your Nexon points are belong to someone who wanted to buy a dress, if he doesn't just steal them from the company's own employees who are all into security and stuff.

But that's okay. They have a pretty good handle on where the problems lie.

Min Kim, Nexon America, 2007 Interview via The Consumerist wrote:
“If there’s any value in your business,” said Kim, “somebody else is going to find value and try to take some of that. The U.S. is a hacking hotbed, and it hadn’t really happened to us in Korea yet. Hacking is like a drug - they keep doing it, it’s a fun challenge for them, and once players start using a hacking tool, it’s hard for them to stop.”
...
The developers in South Korea finally realized hacking wasn’t just a U.S. thing, and had to ramp up their GM staff and extend their coverage. “We couldn’t have our guys go against these hackers head to head, we had to build it into our client,” Kim recalled.


Now taking bets on when you'll open a random Google search and get an ad for Eve captioned, "Come Pew Pew Discreetly, My Lord!"
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2011-10-28 11:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tommy Laughingface
As long as I have GTC option... I am ok... I am in the safe spot... I am safe.... I am safe...


Please, Hilmer, give us an honest apology and change of policy on this matter.
If you are in such dire need of money, let us know in truthful honest words, and we shall gladly sink our isk, PLEX and JP Yen to fly ourselves into those noobie ships in jita.
With honour, I shall sign up to the first wave of true Kamikaze! (｀TωT´)ゞ
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#94 - 2011-10-28 11:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: I Love Boobies
CCP Navigator wrote:
Just wanted to jump in and clarify some things.

Firstly, the 3000 Yen price is inaccurate and the monthly price will be substantially less. As far as I am aware, the final prices have not been set but that figure is extremely high.

Nexon will be handling our billing for the localized client and payment security, is of course, a high priority for them. They are one of the biggest publishers in Japan.



Lol... Nexon and Security don't go together. I used to play Combat Arms until all the hackers found it. They were hacked and required everyone to change their password. Their hack protection software doesn't work with a diddly squat. I still think CCP partnering with NEXON is the worst business decision they have ever done, even if it doesn't effect anyone outside of Japan. Which I am afraid that isn't always going to be the case.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#95 - 2011-10-28 12:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciar Meara
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account


What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?



lol funny i know a few people in the us miltary stationed in japan. not sure how this will effect there $ billed accounts


Good point, several tens of thousands american servicemen are in japan and korea, will they be forced to do this. Because as I understand it they go there on "tour" for a few months or longer this means that more often then not they'd have to register for Nexon id, etc.

Spoofing your IP sounds like a very good idea.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Tommy Laughingface
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-10-28 12:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tommy Laughingface
Ciar Meara wrote:
Spoofing your IP sounds like a very good idea.

With a risk of being banned from CCP, right? I don't think one should even discuss such options in the official forum if it is against their TOS. And even if it lets you pay directly to CCP, we shouldn't be required to go through such extreme option...

CCP can simply ditch NEXON and jack up their price against Japanese residents, we will still gladly pay the difference if we are paying directly to CCP. This isn't about the price for most Japanese players. CCP has earned our trust over the years, they can do that.
But why bring in the new "(in)secure friend" after all years of building up the trust...

Also, most of NEXON games are also Buy-To-Win item based "free-to-play" games, I hope the partnering of these two will never go that far in future.
madd0g11
State War Academy
Caldari State
#97 - 2011-10-28 13:35:38 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Ciar Meara wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:

you should ask bud, better to know all you options.
i do find it very odd that if i go to japan, ill need to sign up with nexon just to log into an already paid for account


What if you are located in an embassy, and thus technically, on souvereign soil of another nation or a church?



lol funny i know a few people in the us miltary stationed in japan. not sure how this will effect there $ billed accounts


The guys on base have US IP addresses via the on base ISP. The people off-base will have JP IP addresses.
GOUDA JAICO
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2011-10-28 15:04:58 UTC
I also asked some question to CCP managements team, and got his reply BY JAPANESE.
CCP need to know Japanese players situations more....... EvilEvilEvil



"

Thank you for sharing your opinion and concerns with CCP. We realize that moving payments from CCP to Nexon will cause some inconvenience for our players and for that we apologize. To answer some of the main questions raised by our email of 26.10.2011 we hereby want to provide the following information.



• We have heard rumors in the Japanese community that CCP is planning to raise subscriptions to up to 3,000 yen. We want to assure you that our goal is to provide very competitive pricing in Japan and that our yen prices will be much closer to the present levels than what has been suggested by speculating players. We are quite convinced that Japan-based players will be pleased with the Japanese pricing and look forward to providing more information in near future. In addition we will introduce special offers for existing players in connection with the official launch.



• We are grateful for your loyalty and confidence in CCP´s payment system. Please be assured that payment security is of course also a top priority at Nexon.



• We will have Japanese language GM support available directly from CCP. Nexon will only handle customer support pertaining to billing issues.



Best regards,

GM Ninjapirate

The EVE Online Customer Support Team





PS. Please find more information about Nexon‘s security measures here below.



****



NEXONでは、プレイヤーの皆様に快適なプレイ環境を提供するために、常にセキュリティ対策の強化に取り組んでおります。



【セキュリティ対策に関する取り組み】

・会員登録におけるメール認証システム

・携帯アプリ型ワンタイムパスワード導入

・NEXONポイントセキュリティ実装

・NEXONポイント使用通知メールサービス

・NEXON ID会員区分の変更を実施

・他社情報流出事故発生時における、プレイヤーの皆様へNEXONアカウント管理に関する注意喚起

（2011年2月には他社の流出事故を受け、パスワードの強制変更を実施）





【NEXONポイントご使用におけるセキュリティ対策】

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■ワンタイムパスワード

　http://www.nexon.co.jp/JP/Regist/pass03.aspx



　通常のNEXON IDとパスワードによるログインに加え、さらにもう一段階リアルタイムのパスワードを設定することが可能です。

　携帯電話やキーホルダー型トークンを通じて、自動でリアルタイムにパスワードが発行され、毎回違うものを利用します。　



■NEXONポイントセキュリティ

　http://www.nexon.co.jp/JP/Regist/pointsecurity.aspx

　

　お客様がご利用になるゲームを選択し、その他のゲームでのNEXONポイントの使用を制限する機能です。

　EVEOnlineをご利用のお客様でしたら、NEXONポイントセキュリティで、EVE OnlineのみでNEXONポイントの使用を許可していただくことで、万が一、不正アクセスにより第三者がお客様のNEXON IDを利用し、他のゲームへログインを行ったとしても、NEXONポイントの使用を防ぐことが可能です。

　

■NEXONポイント使用通知メール機能（オプションサービス）



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■NEXONポイント決済（チャージ）　

　https://point.nexon.co.jp/main/guide/guide/what.asp



NEXONでは、NEXONポイントの決済方法を複数ご用意しております。

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　※詳細はクレジットカード決済の案内ページをご確認ください

　https://point.nexon.co.jp/main/guide/guide/credit.asp


PS, why thread master use English? Theread master is not Japanese? I think this thread is for Japanese player, and should better to use Japanese mainly ^^ ,,, Ofc, IMO sorry,


とにかくCCPはもっと日本人とよく話し合ったほうがいい。
とくにこの問題はCCPはかなり神経質に取り扱ったほうがいいと思う。

例えばProxyをつかってのカードの課金に関してはEULAに抵触するのかどうかとか、外国と日本を行き来している場合、どちらで課金すればいいのかとか、そのへんも具体的におしえてほしいねえ。

とにかくもし日本人のPlayerがみているのなら日本語でいいいのでもっと意見を公式Forum等で述べたほうがいいと思う。
Texty
State War Academy
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-10-28 15:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Texty
GOUDA JAICO wrote:


PS, why thread master use English? Theread master is not Japanese? I think this thread is for Japanese player, and should better to use Japanese mainly ^^ ,,, Ofc, IMO sorry,


I believe this forum is "English only". Ignoring forum rules will result in this thread being locked.
Forum rules wrote:

27. Please use English when posting on the forums.
Please use English when posting on the forums as a courtesy to other players unless the forum channel is specifically created for discussions in another language.
Juil
Royal Society for Prevention of Cruilty to Drones
#100 - 2011-10-28 16:24:29 UTC
Well you could go start a protest.. it worked to get Incarna cancelled.. maybe you can get this canceled to..

Seems to be the only thing CCP listens to.. or complain to the CSM and get them on your side.. they claim they can work wonders these days.