Player Features and Ideas Discussion

did you read the OP?

thats by design. You should not be able to take over the entire opposing fleet. Also, the near-dead requirement only requires a certain minimal speed and HP. I mentioned this at least 5 times in this thread already. Explosions are important for eve.



programmers love to refactor things.


ok. Stick to black ops then. fly safe and don't get boarded!

did your eyes fail to function where they skimmed over this bit


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oh so sad

I do not like this idea... not only personally but for pretty much all the same reasons mentioned above.

- Most small scale PvP engagements (> 20) last no longer than 2 minutes for each individual ship, tops (some, not even 15 seconds)... making any DUST engagement very limited and impractical.

- Most large scale PvP engagements (< 50) focus on domination of the battlefield and view any hostile as too much of a threat to leave alive. Boarding parties being "impractical" is an understatement.

- I don't like the idea of FPS players invading my ship. Not only does it not make sense to me (we're talking ships with hundreds, even thousands of crewmembers... all potentially armed at cruiser level up... ships, that I supposedly have full control, whose corridors and rooms I can seal, overload, shut down, destroy, or vent plasma through) but it offends me that I cannot stack the odds in my favor unless I hire other FPS players (which I would trust about as far as I can throw them) or carry NPC items that make me sacrifice precious cargo space. There is nothing you, as an EVE player, can do to alleviate your situation beyond the next point...

- Self destruct lasts only 2 minutes. And it will suck for both sides as it will prematurely terminate a match for DUST players (making them not want to do such matches) and often be the only viable option for players who are caught (I would rather self destruct every one of my ships that is boarded than take the chance of it being taken over).

- If a "special" ship must be used by DUST players to board a ship... and said ship can be shot at... it will REALLY suck for DUST players as the pinned ship (or some random sniping ship) can just take them out right before a match begins (and I hear that the loading times before a match is a source of much angst for DUST players).

- Almost no one is going to wait more than 5 minutes for FPS players to do their thing... especially not in a hostile situation. Too much risk... not enough gain... unless it's an ungodly expensive ship/fit... which you will never know about until AFTER you have killed said ship (no one cargo or ship scans in low-sec).

- Freighters will be at a definite disadvantage as most of their tank is indeed in structure. Since your idea kicks in when structure is hit, that makes "hull tanking" (which is more common than you might think) no longer viable as a defensive method.


tl;dr...
No to ship boarding.

But I might be willing to listen to ideas about starbase, outpost and station "boardings."

ship, module whatever. I don't care. Game designers and art can do crazy things here. And no, the mercs are not waiting in that ship. It is a clone transporter, transporting general purpose clones. Mercs are in their station in highsec and download their brain directly into the match when it starts. Thats how they move from highsec to their matches already if you follow the lore.


5 minutes are nothing in eve terms, but a lot for a FPS. If you intend to board a ship you prepare for the op. If you want killmails you don't. It is intended to be risky and challenging with the potential to cause more fights since you have to defend the ship which is about to be boarded.


the rule already includes structure. Lets just say the ship is basically dead. The concrete rules can be ships size specific or generic... just details

yes, yes. Thats why takeovers should not be feasible while the battle is still in progress.

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so I guess I will fly around with my cargo open, and as soon as I see something I don't like in there, Drag and drop into space, instant meat popsicles

Yeah i was daydreaming about such boarding actions in EVE aswell as soon as i heard that there will be possibility to walk on stations. It would add such a fantastic spin to the hauling, smuggling and pvp in general. And if boarding would come true, they could make it the way that boarding is always much much more rewarding than blowing ship up. Meaning: the loot of ship blown up should be reduces a lot so the only way to loot real valuables would be by capturing the ship.

Just imagine if your ideas would be implemented, how different match modes for DUST players would be so menaingfull, like:

- shuting down shields, hardeners, repair modules (all that SHOULD be doable while ship is still in combat, so captain of the ship - an EVE pilot would have to be carefull to not get boarded, destroy incoming boarding ships, get away, or deal with both enemy ships AND enemies inside the ship. Activating droids, sentries, installing boarding defences, hiring npc soldiers or simply picking up ship garrison of DUST players working for his corporation to simply sit tight on the ship in case they got boarded.

And to link those experiences and create a great connection EVE pilots would see a simplified status of whats going on his ship (like what decks and rooms have enemies inside, how many of them, how many of sentries and defending soldiers, how close enemies are to vital decks and rooms). For DUST players on the other hand while sitting tight on the ship that participate in some action, a simplified view of whats happening in space in real time. with ships icons and data.

So glad we don't actually ever have to worry about this. Prone to SO many problems. Not to mention the fact that it's a useless feature idea that will never get used. Self destructing takes 2 minutes. A dust match generally takes 15 iirc. Who in the world is going to sit tackled, with half structure left, shields and armor gone, for MORE than 15 minutes, waiting for their ship not only to be lost, but stolen?

This is not balanced, it's highly impractical. It's a 'never going to happen' scenario. Anything smaller than a capital typically dies rapidly as soon as it hits structure, even to small gangs, taking out just part of the structure would result in many frustrations. No capital pilot is going to stand by and watch someone else get his capital for free, without him even getting insurance.

Let's suppose for just one moment, that somehow, you caught someone, got them into structure, and they let you board them for the match. What happens if they self destruct part way through the match? Does everyone in the match die, lose their dropsuit and weapons they kitted up, and match is instantly a loss for both teams?

Sounds to me like people would exploit this by shooting eachother, enabling boarding matches, then self destructing. Not balanced.

The only way I can see the whole "Boarding" thing working is not with ships but with structures.

Imagine your fleet is bashing a station, or a Territorial Claim Unit. Now, imagine that you can hire DUST mercenaries to help out with this.

CCP a while back when they first introduced the sov mechanics, said that they were going to give us "Side Goals" to aid in the sovereignty offensive. Now, I thought it might be a good idea to link these two in to:

Station/POS/POCO goes in to Reinforced for 1d 17h (Full stront on POS). Dust mercenaries have 2-5 (Small-Large) minutes to board, and rush to the "Reinforcement Computer" (For lack of a better name), as a POS is usually unmanned when it's hit, DUST mercenaries will have to take out sentry guns, and other security procedures. If they reach the RF computer in time, they may change the reinforce timer to +6 or -6 hours, allowing the attacker of a POS to not be thwarted by the whole "Oh, I can't log on at that time" thing. Also, the owner gets an EVEmail stating at what time the RF Computer has been changed to.

If they do not make make it in time, the security shuts down the RF Computer and releases a huge amount of pressure so the mercenaries will just get squished (awesome), and on a side note, the POS owners will get an EVEmail stating that a battle took place, and the defence was successful, and a mail with the reinforce timer.

My 2 pence.