EVE General Discussion

I thought increasing the drop rate on rare mods would be a good idea. At least until I realized that increasing the drop rate would cause the price to go down and we'd be right back where we started.

Gee, in four hours of missioning, and mining I can have close to twenty frigates built and fitted for PvP, and that is not even using L4 agents. If I did just two hours a day missioning and mining I could make and fit out three to four crusiers in a week, heck I could salvage all the wrecks in the missions/belts and probably rig two or three of them as well.

What a load of bull ...

Lets find a solution to this problem that ALOT of people seem to be having.

Claim to be a casual player... Wonder why you can't afford stuff.

I'm coming to the realization that I don't think there is something wrong with the game atall?

TLDR: Complaining about not being able to compete, Is a casual player.

Go play the new call of duty when it comes out. I heard they have awesome weapon skins.

I should clarify it's not missions that made me believe this, but going through my fifth or sixth Dread Guristas spawn in a row that dropped nothing but tags and ammo and T1 mods.

This... is brilliant! Turn meta into thing that wedges between the ease of T1 production and the nightmare of T2 production! I love it! Let's expand on this...

Would metas have BPOs (could be too easy) or only BPCs like T2 (not worth it). I am thinking that a BPO could be converted, through science skills and research, into a meta BPO. Halfway between the two: It's still a BPO, so it's infinite, but it has to be researched like a T2... but only once. The meta level achieved during research would depend on chance & science skills, sort of like T2 BPC production values are now. Not high enough for you? Research it again, see if it goes up a notch.

And of course all would require T1 basic stuff to build from, increasing demand as you said.

Three comments on this topic:

1. Read the Making ISK guide.
2. Enjoy the power and beauty of your frigate.
3. Buffing mission income will simply increase everyone's income, leading to increased prices, leading to the same conversion rate of hours-of-play to number-of-ships-I-can-lose.

P.S.: If you wonder what I'm on about with the frigate thing, just ask Rixx Javix or any other member of the Tuskers (or Rifter Drifters if they're still around). Frigate PvP is the best PvP.

No, it should be nerfed. High sec is already way too profitable for the negligible risk it has.


You can get started in a T1 frig so still no.

Hmm, not keen on the PLEX bit.

A form of 'pay to not actually need to do anything to earn isk' in Eve.

In fact it is the lazy player's version of the much despised, afk ice mining really.

OP, you have come to the wrong place to get support for your idea.
In fact, the new CSM will be making it a priority to ruin missions even further, at least high sec ones.

They will be focused on accelerating the process of turning high sec into a wasteland.

Read the CSM platforms, or listen to the Zebra Crossings podcasts, or simply read these forums, and put it all together.
The new voting system ensures complete dominance of the CSM by null sec.
CCP has already stated they want the CSM more closely involved in the direction of the game, as a "stakeholder", and null sec is going to make every effort to control the CSM and the direction of the game.

The null sec power blocs are a patient bunch, and not stupid. They realize that CCP will put up quite a lot of resistance to wiping out high sec in one go, so they will ask for "small rebalances", and maintain the pressure over the coming years. They have been at it for a couple now, with noticeable results on reducing high sec income.

My best guess, their ultimate wish list to CCP will include:

Mission loot/bounties cut in half
Incursions cut by 50-75% (though a goon rep said he wants them left alone, so that one is iffy),
Refining efficiency maxed at 90% in high sec.
Oh, but that refining efficiency won't mean much since null sec is whining, and will get, new rocks that pump out huge quantities of trit and pyerite. Wanna guess what that does to high sec mining income?
Oh, and for the industrialist, odds are quite high that you can kiss goodbye T2 mfg in high sec.

And this is not conjecture. These are all various items posted on numerous platforms of null sec candidates, or in forum posts by the null sec propaganda teams over the last 6 months. Given that the null sec power blocs are looking to control at least 10 of the 14 seats, maybe 12, they will be pushing hard for this to happen.

I have been focusing on cleaning out my hangars of all meta 1 and meta 2 stuff, refining, and then selling the low end minerals before the mining changes are announced and trit, pyerite, and the other low end min prices crater. I also figure that meta3 and meta4 items will rise dramatically when T2 item production is handed to the null sec oligarchs.

But, as I said, these guys are a patient bunch. They recognize it is a long long haul to wipe out high sec, they won't get all they ask for in this CSM. But they will maintain the pressure, and sooner, rather than later, no one will be able to make a decent income in high sec.