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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2013-03-04 21:42:30 UTC
Sariah Kion wrote:
Want to kill Eve.

Nerf High Sec into the ground and cater to the hypocrites. First to go will be the economy. Then Sub numbers will drop steadily.

The game will go down hill but the QQ along the way will be glorious. I would keep my subs long enough to see the end though.

/popcorn

This is what will not be happening, of course.

Rather, we will buff highsec's safety. Consensual wars only !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Whitehound
#42 - 2013-03-04 21:43:30 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
All I see ...

Your whining is no threat to anyone, son. All I see is that you have no arguments. Shut up until you do.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-03-04 21:56:41 UTC
"If I keep saying Hello Kitty Online, bubblewrap and carebear enough, people will ignore my lack of evidence or arguments"
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-03-04 21:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wescro
Wars already are consensual. You consent to be in a deccable player corp, you consent to stay in one and not dissolve it to escape the wardec. I wardecced someone once, they dissolved corp. Yea no thanks, I'm not paying 50m for you to go through the laborious task of clicking 5 times to reform your corp.

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-03-04 22:08:19 UTC
Wescro wrote:

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.


Name one news-worthy highsec war.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-03-04 22:10:07 UTC
Wescro wrote:
Wars already are consensual. You consent to be in a deccable player corp, you consent to stay in one and not dissolve it to escape the wardec. I wardecced someone once, they dissolved corp. Yea no thanks, I'm not paying 50m for you to go through the laborious task of clicking 5 times to reform your corp.

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.

How do you propose to compel people who don't want to fight to do so?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#47 - 2013-03-04 22:11:01 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Wescro wrote:

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.


Name one news-worthy highsec war.


RvB

Don't hit me. Your point is a valid one.

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Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2013-03-04 22:11:24 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Wescro wrote:
Wars already are consensual. You consent to be in a deccable player corp, you consent to stay in one and not dissolve it to escape the wardec. I wardecced someone once, they dissolved corp. Yea no thanks, I'm not paying 50m for you to go through the laborious task of clicking 5 times to reform your corp.

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.

How do you propose to compel people who don't want to fight to do so?


Money!
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-03-04 22:17:00 UTC
Consensual Wars?

Is that like all the pre arranged fights in null and lowsec because all the bitter-vets are friendly?

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Whitehound
#50 - 2013-03-04 22:34:49 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Consensual Wars?

Is that like all the pre arranged fights in null and lowsec because all the bitter-vets are friendly?

It is a misnomer. An attack is in its nature a non-consensual act. Consensual / non-consensual is being confused with mutual / non-mutual. Even when a defender agrees to an attack then it often just means that the defender is prepared, but not necessarily demands the attacker to attack. Kids may twist this into any nonsensical meaning of their own liking of course.

What is also wrong and gets mixed into the confusion is the idea that others could be forced into fighting back. It is however the defender's choice to make and not the attacker's.

Another misconception is to see a value in docking up or logging out of the game, either as a strategy or as a punishment. Such values have no place in an MMO. Every active player is of value.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-03-04 22:36:03 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Consensual Wars?

Is that like all the pre arranged fights in null and lowsec because all the bitter-vets are friendly?


FW is essentially a consensual war, since both sides have to enlist in it. So is RvB. If nullsec had any wars going on, they'd kinda be consensual too, because if they didn't want to fight they could just retreat to highsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#52 - 2013-03-04 23:04:34 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Consensual Wars?

Is that like all the pre arranged fights in null and lowsec because all the bitter-vets are friendly?


FW is essentially a consensual war, since both sides have to enlist in it. So is RvB. If nullsec had any wars going on, they'd kinda be consensual too, because if they didn't want to fight they could just retreat to highsec.

Heh, back to highsec, the golden land.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#53 - 2013-03-04 23:07:14 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
"..CCP and the CSM have been feverishly discussing the total elimination of non-consensual wardecs, too."

WTF?

Now I'm not one to normally say "If 'x' happens I will resign my subscription", but if this asshattery happens I will.

I put about $400-500 annually into the EVE universe (above subscriptions) because I can't be bothered humping asteroids or day trading to fund my pvp. CCP needs to ask itself, do you want to lose players like me on your road to nerfdom?

(I almost quit when can-flipping and ganking got nerfed, doing this is without a doubt the last straw for me...)

p.s.
Yes, if this happens, someone can have my stuff.

F



Dude. Its just a game.
Alara IonStorm
#54 - 2013-03-04 23:09:15 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:

Dude. Its just a game.

It is not just a game! It is also...

um...

ah...

You win Captain Downer.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#55 - 2013-03-04 23:14:24 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:

Dude. Its just a game.

It is not just a game! It is also...

um...

ah...

You win Captain Downer.

It is also real.

EVE is real.


I wasn't there.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ryu Ibarazaki
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-03-04 23:34:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Takseen wrote:


FW is essentially a consensual war, since both sides have to enlist in it. So is RvB. If nullsec had any wars going on, they'd kinda be consensual too, because if they didn't want to fight they could just retreat to highsec.

Heh, back to highsec, the golden land.


We see this first-hand in BNI.

Since moving to Low Sec I've seen one war target in our new home system, and we have anywhere between 6-8 'Wars' declared against us at any one time. That's not to say more isn't going on when I'm not around but it's certainly no war.
Hjofriour
#57 - 2013-03-04 23:36:12 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

Can flipping is not can flipping anymore. Its suspect-baiting, you steal from a can to get a suspect flag and anyone BUT the intended target agresses you.
Are you for non-consensual PvP or not? Your hypocrisy knows no bounds. You're not really after PvP, you just want ganks.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#58 - 2013-03-04 23:55:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sariah Kion wrote:
Want to kill Eve.

Nerf High Sec into the ground and cater to the hypocrites. First to go will be the economy. Then Sub numbers will drop steadily.

The game will go down hill but the QQ along the way will be glorious. I would keep my subs long enough to see the end though.

/popcorn

This is what will not be happening, of course.

Rather, we will buff highsec's safety. Consensual wars only !

There has got to be a way to take out a POS. How about: No sov, no POS, no war. But put up a structure and you open yourself up to war. Then add in the POS revamp so there can be new, smaller structures all over high sec. Things worth defending, but are easy to set up and blow up.

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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#59 - 2013-03-05 00:02:09 UTC
Greetings

Great discussion, lets keep the pyramid posting to a minimum and stay on topic. We all know that this type of post has the potential to get very emotional. So let us stay the course and not use personal attacks as a form of rebuttal.

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#60 - 2013-03-05 00:04:01 UTC
Takseen wrote:
Wescro wrote:

The current mechanics discourage wars and conflict, you know, the kind of thing that we all heard grand tales about before we subbed.


Name one news-worthy highsec war.

The war between Eve University and Castle Greyskull. The one where they lost their POS in Korsiki. (It was 3 years ago).

Shows you how often it happens.

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