EVE General Discussion

"..CCP and the CSM have been feverishly discussing the total elimination of non-consensual wardecs, too."

WTF?

Now I'm not one to normally say "If 'x' happens I will resign my subscription", but if this asshattery happens I will.

I put about $400-500 annually into the EVE universe (above subscriptions) because I can't be bothered humping asteroids or day trading to fund my pvp. CCP needs to ask itself, do you want to lose players like me on your road to nerfdom?

(I almost quit when can-flipping and ganking got nerfed, doing this is without a doubt the last straw for me...)

p.s.
Yes, if this happens, someone can have my stuff.

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Actually, no they aren't.

James has taken the conversation from the CSM minutes, where CCP devs patiently ask leading questions on the topic while allowing the more carebearish members to slowly realize the drawbacks to their stance on the matter.

This is obvious if you actually read the minutes.

>Quoting a Mittani article as fact.

Oh dear. Please don't do that.
Suffice to say that the actual CSM discussion is a lot more balanced.
http://community.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2012/CSM_CCP_Meetings_December_2012.pdf
Check it out, goes from about page 66 onwards.

"Optimists might hope that Trebor's "get rid of wardecs" campaign at the Winter Summit was an isolated incident, perhaps the result of sampling one too many Icelandic delicacies. Sadly, this was not the case. In his own Crossing Zebras interview, Trebor confided that his effort to remove wardecs from EVE is moving ahead at full steam. To gain ammunition for the next anti-wardec push, Trebor proposed that CCP commission a study to determine whether wardecs are indeed driving away subscribers, as Ripard had posited. Incredibly, CCP accepted the proposal and has since conducted the study, according to Trebor--the conclusions of which he intends to use to support future anti-wardec campaigns."

I read this and look back on the points raised re: the hisec nerfs already done (removing can flipping, safeties, nerfing ganking) and I see more evidence of a move towards this than away from it. The previous actions by CCP and quoted material concerns me.

High sec war decs don't create more meaningful PvP in the game from what I've seen. They allow larger corporation with more experienced members to troll smaller corporations. The real result of high sec war decs is the members of the smaller corp log in to set skills and go play another game, unless they were planning on PvP in low/null/wh space anyway.

When I was part of a WH alliance we got decced by some high sec corp. Apparently they thought we were some miners (some of us were), but when we offered to straight up show up and fight them they declined our offer. When we would show up in system in force they would dock. They weren't looking for PvP, they were looking for easy targets. I don't know how many high sec war decs are different (outside of RvB), but if this is an accurate portrayal then I don't think eve is getting much out of them.

Outside of small corp members going to play other free to play games while decced. Hell, half the time I'm logged into eve I'm actually playing LoL on the other screen.

They can get rid of war and it still wont stop the gloried AWOXings.

If you want consensual wars only you should just go to newly established Chinese version of null sec on Tranquillity.

Null-Sec has already found a way to get rid of non-consensual wars, CCP is just following suit.

From the CSM minutes:

"Solomon noted that they were looking specifically into cases where one corp wardecced another corp, and no losses occurred. Usually this means that a larger more powerful entity has wardecced a smaller entity that wants nothing to do with the conflict and therefore does everything in its power to avoid being caught or killed. Solomon wagered that this was the case in 70-80% of wars.
Solomon: The strong prey on the weak, but the weak aren’t responding, and nobody’s getting particularly fun or nourishing gameplay out of this. Is that a failure?"

We have a game mechanic where 70% to 80% of the time its used, no one has a good play experience, on either side. The defenders just turtle for a week, and the aggressors get no action for their 50 million ISK. Yet we keep this mechanic in the game, presumably for those few times when it does get results (fights for a POS, moving a corp out of an area or mutual fun wars). If it does not work most of the time, maybe some big change is needed?

The change cannot be something that forces the defenders to fight, because there is no way to force a person to log in. If they want to turtle, they will regardless of rules changes about corp hopping, or wars following individuals or whatever.

That leaves the war dec mechanic itself. And here is where all progress to a change that results in good gameplay seems to stop.

1st world problems.... Erm.... Sorry I mean Highsec Problems