EVE General Discussion

CCP have for years been looking for a way to increase the takeup of PVP within its population of carebears. My opinion is that the barrier for most casual players to leave high sec and go looking for trouble is cost. How do most people subsidise PVP losses while they are learing their trade? I'd say it was by missioning. The trouble is that missioning has become very unrewarding over the last few years. the better level 4 missions such as WC, Mordus, Gone Beserk or Blocade run with maxxed out social skills may get you 3m in reward, 10~20m in bounties and then there is the loot.



Unless you are prepared to truck hundreds of rubbish mods to a hub to sell you may as well just refine them to ore and use that to manufacture your own ammo to spend your LP on making it into Faction. The vast majority of mod drops will net you far less than 100k and that is if you can find a buyer in your system. The upshot is that if you are looking to replace say a fully fitted PVP 'Cane then you need to fork out about 75m? That can be an evening's work. People who want to PVP don't want to spend a week missioning in order to have enough in their pocket to fund a night's fun shooting people.



Maybe I'm being cynical but the best way for a casual player to fund PVP these days is by trading PLEX. Cynical in the sense that is what CCP want us to do. I would prefer to have mission loot improved so that you get the odd faction mod dropped in the same way you do in plexes. I can remember when I started playing many years ago my account was basically jump started by getting a faction mod drop on me. I sold it for a couple of hundred mil back in the day when that was a lot of ISK to a new pilot and never looked back. I was able to outfit ships and buy skills with impunity.



There is very little money to be made in manufacturing mods or indeed ships these days. Why anyone does it is beyond me. The economy is stagnating to the point that the cost of items on the market is pretty much ore price. Gear can't get much cheaper yet most people find that pvp is not self subsidising. What I am suggesting is giving them a bit of a shot in the arm by allowing the chance of a valuable mission drop. It's just an idea but I'm at a loss otherwise how the game is going to rejuvenate itself and move players out of their comfort zones.

Corporate/alliance based ship replacement programs.

You could also do like people with brains do and start small with frigates, instead of being bad and whining about a non problem.

And how is that usually funded? By hours of mindless mining. The gear still has to be manufactured or bought either with ISK or Plex.

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this is so bad, it has to be a troll

Well clearly it is a problem as CCP is constantly asking for suggestions how to get people out of high sec and into PVP. And since when have frigates been free? There is still a cost that will mount up if you don't do something to replenish your ISK.

You don't have to run high level plexes to get faction mods drop.

Lesson learned, people don't like change. In the meantime casual players will continue to live in high sec and cite ISK as the barrier to PVP. I'm not going to argue, it was just a thought.

1 hour of level 4's will give you more cheap frigate pvp than you can handle for days. Join FW both at the same time.

How can you not think of this yourself?

also, searching on google for eve cheap frigate pvp gave me this as first link:

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/09/02/eve-evolved-fitting-a-brawler-frigate-for-pvp/

Bears will always make excuses, it's easier than admitting to be a total pansy:

- I don't want to lose my full set of +5s
- All the gates are camped all the time
- I PVP in other games but not in EVE because it doesn't require skill
- I need an Arena to PVP
- I need X skillpoints to PVP
- Goonswarm