Crime & Punishment

Highsec belongs to no one. The moment you start believing something belongs to you in this game, someone will come along and take it from you. Especially ships. People always want to take my ships from me. Even to the point where the thing is falling apart all around me and then I'm in my escape pod!

My favorite post in this miserable thread.

Here's a question for the NEW ORDER folks...

If i'm running 5 accounts on my PC, and 1 account on my laptop doing a mining op chatting in local, ect ect, then also playing DUST with my son on my console, is that considered AFK mining?
or just multi-tasking?

seriously, i know this sounds like I'm trying to troll you guys, but I would like to know how you view that.

o/
Celly

We destroy orcas at our pleasure ... so, yes Highsec belongs to me!

http://neworder.mindflood.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16649725

Not really what I was asking even though I appreciate the response.

the question is does the new order consider running multiple accounts and interacting in game as being AFK or multi-tasking if there's also a side distraction of the console?

and the "provided you are in posession of a mining permit for every character."? well, that's just not going to happen. :P

I've already stated previously what support (and what specific areas of and requirements for that support) the minerbumping community could/would have from me and it does not include me purchasing a permit from anyone, legit representative of the order or Highwayman variant.

o/
Celly

hahaha...

No, he didn't and it's a simple yes or no question, wrapping an answer in the veil of the code does not mean it's really being answered. :)

and yes, you have every right to try to esplode (i fixed that for you) me if you want to, if you don't, I'll just add your guns and crap to the huge pile I already have and if you do, then I'll know what it takes to break my tank(s).

and how do you figure they're macro'd?, (for any one out there mining?) I said 5 accounts on one comp, one on a laptop, my comp has multiple monitors and if I am sitting there at the keyboard, talking and moving ore and targeting roids and killing/looting/salvaging rats, how then does that become macro'd? or even AFK or even botting which is what you guys are all about in the first place right?

I mean if you're just going to assume that anyone who has more than one account or anyone that mines is a bot-aspirant, then you're going to be sadly proven wrong time and time again.
and yes, I will clear a belt or two or three by myself on a hard core mining day, all the while chatting in vent, in game and sometimes playing dust too. :P

fair enough.
not familiar with that, but I'll take your word for it :)

i was going more along the lines of "j00 got some esplainin/`splainin to do Lucy!"

and that probably gives away my age too LMAO

oh well.

o/
Celly.

We extort healthy player immersion and interaction from bot-aspirant AFK players who don't seem to understand the core concept of MMO

ok, then based on your own statement, if you know that a person is neither "bot-aspirant" nor "AFK" which is easily discernible by simple watching local, then you leave them alone right? I mean, after all, they are already immersed and not a bot or AFK and are participating in the core basics of an MMO...

right?

Look, obviously there are a multitude of shades of gray. The Wis mines with a huge multiboxed fleet of 100 ships(https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=200503) and I think most of us will agree he is not botting. Not that his behavior is in any way Code compliant, as far as the New Order is concerned.

But let's say you want to mine in highsec, and you cannot bring yourself to buy a permit. By definition you are not Code compliant. Does that mean you must toss the rest of the Code baby out with the bathwater? I would say no. We advocate being ATK (which we define as paying attention to what's happening around you, and watching local chat). That's good advice for anyone, anywhere in EVE. (Well, maybe not in Jita - it's probably best to ignore local chat there. But then again - you aren't mining in Jita.) We advocate choosing and fitting your ship with an eye toward survivability. Again, good advice for everyone. We constantly try to send the message that there is danger any time you undock, even in highsec. That's good to know, right? And we advise avoiding particularly dangerous situations. If the system where you are mining is populated by players who can be expected to adversely affect your personal play style, perhaps it would be wise to relocate to a different system.

When the New Order has a number of targets to choose from, we will typically choose the most egregious offenders of the Code. The obviously inattentive are high on the list. The woefully undertanked or ridiculously shiny fitted ships are as well (yes, our scouts do scan our targets). And the New Order cannot (yet) be everywhere at once. So as an ATK, attentive, intelligent, but sadly non-permit-holding miner, you can still greatly minimize your risk of interaction with the New Order. Be aware. Be tanky. Be somewhere else. It's not very hard, but it is too hard for a multitude of highsec miners. And those are the miners that make our work so necessary and so satisfying.