Skill Discussions

There is so much wrong in your post. Also please read carefully my posts, i have mentioned that i bought a char on my first post but that doesn't make "all my posts pointless". Again, basic logic.

You have mentioned buying a char, it happens that in the process you displays basic error in your choice. Errors that are linked to understanding what matters in skill training.

It's funny just how broken the internet is.
Here I wanted to discuss how punishing this game is for new players.
Talk to the right person.
All I got is a bunch off butthurt nerds.

This isn't about me or you.
This is about all the new players that feel useless.
If CCP showed you the stats of actual players in EVE, you would see just how few people there is.
Very few people only have one account.
Allot of people I spoke to have an average of 2-5 accounts.
You should speak to miners. They have so many accounts.
My stat of unique players being 30-50% of the population is probably not even off by much.

You can buy SP in form of a toon from bazaar but you cannot buy game knowledge and experience. And you are clear proof of that.

Everyone of us started lost and without SP needed to fly shinies and do cool stuff.

Chill da frakk down, keep playing or GTFO. Why would anybody play the game he hates? That's just like most st00pid thing you can do with your time and money.

I didn't pay with real money or PLEX, but with isk i earned. Big difference in what you are saying.

There is a minor problem about new players getting into the game, i don't deny it. I consider it part of the "grinding" that happens in all MMO and in EVE that with that initial grinding comes game knowledge, i think that i had enough knowledge to not make mistake with a higher level of SP.
That's not because i bought a char that i have to think that SP are a huge problem for new player, yeah that's annoying but you can still have a lot of fun. That's not a big issue, you don't need to talk about this with a Dev and your stats are worth nothing.

I am clear proof. Proof of what exactly? I have been playing this game for 2 months and for that amount of time I have played and what I have accomplished I'm pretty proud.
See this post isn't about me but the high rate of new players that quit.
As far as a new player goes I think I did very well.
Can you say that you made 170m on your second day of trial?
No help, no guidance from friends?

Oh this is amazing, now you are taking credits for a lucky event ?

P.S. this isn't intended as an assassination, please talk to my lawyer if this message has hurt your honor. We can settle this in a duel, undock, Jita 4-4.

I think it takes under 2 hours to fit a warp disruptor so you can head out and start hero-tackling.

There are several large entities that accept 0-day characters too, if you have some time in their online community, for example dreddit / fweddit have gotten people into the mix in lowsec and nulsec within about 2 hours.


You weren't playing EVE then, that's a common first mistake.


Sounds like mistakes 2 and 3 there. You developed SP greed instead of having fun, and you bought a character without knowledge of how to use it.


Unlike WoW though, in EVE you don't need endgame level to have fun though.

I hated being forced to grind 5-10 levels every WoW expansion just to be able to have fun. I was a Paladin main tank (and guild officer) in a raiding guild (#3 on server), and saw all of WoW and done all the personal and raid achievements and special mounts, up to Uldum which is when I quit, because I had been made redundant by dual talent specs and new classes. I wasn't the only one it seems, as my guild apparently dissolved about a month later I later learned.

I came to EVE where I started having fun from day one, and bought a full year subscription the same day.


I think first you have to convince people there is a problem. It seems more like the tutorials system could be better, to guide people like you and your friends into having fun from day one, and not worrying about skills.

Skills should be looked at as making you better at something you already have fun at, rather than roadblocks to having fun.

I started before Apocrypha, so the "tutorial" started with placing me in space near a hostile NPC frigate near an asteroid, and that was it. There was no instruction on what to do. I decided I wasn't going to shoot anything until I knew what was up, so I figured out how to warp away. I never could return to that hostile NPC frigate (didn't know about bookmarks). Thus ended the tutorial. Yet I still figured out how to have fun without it.

I think CCP realizes the tutorial could be better, but ideas on improving it should be posted in the ideas forum.

I was gonna link the video, but hey, that works too.

Maybe the OP is dumb but he raises a couple of good point, one being that a new player cannot do much in the first couple of months. You cannot realistically pvp all day long and as you mentioned most of the large entities that accept day 1 toon are community-based.

So they have to fill their day with pve and pve in EVE is horrible, lvl1 missions are really easy but some lvl2s missions will be tricky/impossible to run with poor skills in a cruiser, even with a good fit. I ended up after my first week wondering what i could do... Yes new players can mine and it's even easier now with the venture but that's a very specific gameplay, i would define it as "boring as f*ck". An active new player, that don't like mindless grinding and wants to play Eve maybe 1-2 hours per day just won't have much to do.

Over time the problem solves itself, players are able to do pvp with being podded in the first few seconds, and to run missions/rats/explore effectively. Myself i just went all-in with trading while learning about the community and the game but then again trading is a very specific type of gameplay.


I am not saying that this is a "huge problem" nor do i want newbies to be effective in high-end ships quickly but i think there is room for content here and CCP should work on that. Ofc you can find a charitable carebear that will let you salvage and loot some wrecks in lvl4s... that's not really fun either and you are left with the impression to clean the dishes. And a game that relies on vets'kindness to provide content to newbies... isn't that a flawed design ?

OP, I'm having more fun in this 1.5m SP character than I have ever had in my PvE mains. In fact, I think of Zaps as my main now since my high SP characters just seem stale in comparison.

One of the most important things you can learn about EVE is that the skill point journey is very enjoyable. Sure, a four year old thinks you need to 'get a bigger ship so I can get the baddies' but I realise that small ship PvP is fantastic:

1. Cheap (let's you learn by lots of mistakes)
2. Very fun
3. Arguably harder than large ship PvP due to the short time frame

Remember that skill points does not equate to skill. I can guarantee that a noob who buys a high SP character will die in lots of expensive explosions.