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Anyone give a rough estimate of about how many T2 BPO's are still in the game and on active accounts, what they are a BPO for, and how mch would be a decent offer to buy them? i would still very much like to have all of them and shove them forever into the vast black hole that is my collectibles container.

(also, problem solved, T2 BPOs may as well not existence once i get my hands on them, locked away forever like a disney movie)

say this alot in these threads myself. You'd think these be your ideal markets since no evil t2 bpo's to "ruin" it. Grass isn't so green here. I have seen expected profit margins drop in the few days t2 bs ' are in the oven. These markets are the fairest you will get. And its far from fair as you look at your spreadsheet and go just where the hell is this guy shaving off the millions I can't. And when I did this I was not overly greedy. Hell in the days of dron poop loot I'd do a funky buy 2 trit get 1 free calc sometimes and was still gettting undercut. GUess they were giving away all thier trit or some other mineral for free lol.

Please continue to whine and moan about T2 BPOs, and convince others to never get into invention because they "can't compete" with BPO holders. Meanwhile I shall invent and produce T2 items, and stuff masive amounts of my ISK profits into my female exotic dancer and booster addictions.

Lol, I have been inventing since invention came out and the tons of isk i made off of invention is hardly "scraping by". Run some numbers and then tell me invention isn't profitable. There are plenty of items that sell well that net 50% to 100% or more profit margins even at -4 / -4. And no I don't own a t2 bpo, I invested in other more profitable things that make a heck of a lot more money then a t2 bpo would bring in.

Am I here right for the historical T2 BPO Whine reenactment?

T2 BPOs are amazingly unfair, but only if you completely ignore the opportunity cost of having that much isk tied up in an asset (and, if you do that, you're bad at business, and should feel bad about that).

Let's do some actual math based on a recent T2 BPO sale:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2501896#post2501896

A Dark Ochre mining crystal II BPO, which sold for 22 billion.

Some back of the envelop numbers, here, with perfect ME.

Current Jita sell price - 426,999

Production costs at current Jita sell prices:

Nocxium - 25 @ 801 isk
T1 Crystal - 1 @ 238,694 isk
Hypersynaptic fibers - 11 @ 3275 isk
R.A.M - electronics - ~7785 (calculated as 109,000/14. 7% damage per run gives you 14 runs per RAM)

Total: 302,529
Taxes: 4270
Profit/unit: 120,200

I'm going to ignore POS fuel costs (realistically those would be divided across an innumerable number of research and manufacture slots), but assume we're building in an Ammo array, and our blueprint has 100 PE.

This lets us build 2450 units per month.

If those numbers hold, and generously assuming that we can sell them all in that same time frame, this will yield us 294,490,000 isk per month.

We have 22 billion isk tied up in an asset that produces 294.5 million isk per month.

I would have to go out of my way to make 22 billion isk perform that badly doing, literally, anything else. It's a 1.35% monthly return. Hell, I would have to try REALLY HARD to make that little using only ONE billion in capital.

There was a secured bond going in MD a while back that was returning 2%/mo - a substantially better return, for far less effort and, given that it was Grendell doing the backing, arguably less risk, as well.

THAT is what you're bitching about, here - an item that has just about the worst rate of return in the game.

Postin' in a T2 BPO whine thread. Never done it before.

One less thing on the bucket list.

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