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Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-03-03 20:53:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
March rabbit wrote:

exactly. because PVPers made anyone other left these places.

No, some people left because it's easier to spend 2 hours AFK in high than 1 hour paying attention in low for the same ISK. Then the rest of them left because everyone else was gone. If you put in any significant effort, PvPers aren't much of an issue. I know this from first hand experience running my own low sec mining corp back when such a thing still existed.

March rabbit wrote:
exactly. because PVPers made running missions/mining/belt running in low/0.0 too danger so anyone smart evades these cursed places.

Again, it had nothing to do with PvPers and everything to do with lazy, anti-social people.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:

what prevents you from doing this? Organize industry in your corp. Organize mining ops and all this stuff.

Probably the fact that I no longer have my own corp and the fact that it's no longer my main focus in the game.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
missions in low/0.0 already give more LP and ISK than in empire. Everyone who accepts risk already run these missions. Others prefer lower rewards but higher security. What is wrong here?

Trammels kill sandboxes dead. If you had read the article I linked explaining the effect on other security ratings you wouldn't need to ask.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
exactly. because this veldspar is sold into NPC buy order and wasn't used by other players to build stuff/resell/etc...

How much acid did you have to drop before you thought you were interacting with someone you've never seen, spoken to or even been in the same system with?

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Agnar Volta
Investtan Inc.
The Republic.
#82 - 2013-03-03 21:03:01 UTC
I'm impress, you guys manage to finally bring racism to eve.

A whole classe of players to be hated, serve as scapegoat for your failings and to blame for the features that you don't have. Amazing.

Good thing that we already have our own *** equivalent bring the true about this evil group so we can pin point them and deal with these treat.
Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#83 - 2013-03-03 21:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Iminent Penance
They get minerals and crap that go into the economy.... or simply isk to buy things, lp for faction items to sell...

why do they NEED to die and/or talk to you to accomplish this? <.<

Eve is about the sandbox of space, i never knew it to be "hand holding space-ships online"....

Welcome to a player controlled market, the gms dont need to hold your hands giving free ships/npc minerals/killmails just because you hate that others do it for you so much you want the game changed entirely to do so.

QQ my friends...



Qq
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-03-03 21:07:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.

Things carebears have threatened me with:

  • Raping various members of my family.
  • Killing various members of my family.
  • Doing the above to me.
  • Doing the above to my pets.
  • Hacking various accounts, including, but not limited to, my bank, Eve, and e-mail accounts.
  • Getting their GM and/or dev friends to ban me for doing something they don't like.
  • Suicide.
  • Kicking my ass.
  • Paralyzing me.
  • Putting me in a coma.
  • Calling me various racial slurs and threatening to have me deported.
  • And many more.

    • All of these are threats that would put them in jail if I thought they were actually capable of carrying them out and reported them. When I fight anyone in low or null they usually say "GF" or nothing at all. When I kill a carebear It's not uncommon for me to be subjected to a 30+ minute profanity stream.

    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
    Iminent Penance
    Your Mom's Boyfriends
    #85 - 2013-03-03 21:10:10 UTC
    Jensaro Koraka wrote:
    MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

    On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.

    Things carebears have threatened me with:

  • Raping various members of my family.
  • Killing various members of my family.
  • Doing the above to me.
  • Doing the above to my pets.
  • Hacking various accounts, including, but not limited to, my bank, Eve, and e-mail accounts.
  • Getting their GM and/or dev friends to ban me for doing something they don't like.
  • Suicide.
  • Kicking my ass.
  • Paralyzing me.
  • Calling me various racial slurs and threatening to have me deported.
  • And many more.

    • All of these are threats that would put them in jail if I thought they were actually capable of carrying them out and reported them. When I fight anyone in low or null they usually say "GF" or nothing at all. When I kill a carebear It's not uncommon for me to be subjected to a 30+ minute profanity stream.


    Things pvpers have publically threatened with:

  • Raping various members of my family.
  • Killing various members of my family.
  • Doing the above to me.
  • Doing the above to my pets.
  • Hacking various accounts, including, but not limited to, my bank, Eve, and e-mail accounts.
  • Getting their GM and/or dev friends to ban me for doing something they don't like.
  • Suicide.
  • Kicking my ass.
  • Paralyzing me.
  • Calling me various racial slurs and threatening to have me deported.
  • And many more.

    • Skeln Thargensen
    Doomheim
    #86 - 2013-03-03 21:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
    Dave Stark wrote:
    warping to a gate isn't a reason. if i'm in a mining ship, i'm mining. so being able to warp to a gate is completely irrelevant. it also seems irrelevant to about 1/3 of high sec who appear to be using a retriever too. looking at the figures between just the mack and ret, there appears to be more ret users, than mack users in high sec for example.

    as for the rest of that, it again, has nothing to do with the balance of mining ships.


    it's not irrelevant to mining. I always mine systems with no station and have to make at least one jump to my refine station. you have to get out there these days.

    forums.  serious business.
    Jensaro Koraka
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #87 - 2013-03-03 21:12:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
    Iminent Penance wrote:
    Jensaro Koraka wrote:
    MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

    On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.

    Things carebears have threatened me with:

  • Raping various members of my family.
  • Killing various members of my family.
  • Doing the above to me.
  • Doing the above to my pets.
  • Hacking various accounts, including, but not limited to, my bank, Eve, and e-mail accounts.
  • Getting their GM and/or dev friends to ban me for doing something they don't like.
  • Suicide.
  • Kicking my ass.
  • Paralyzing me.
  • Calling me various racial slurs and threatening to have me deported.
  • And many more.

    • All of these are threats that would put them in jail if I thought they were actually capable of carrying them out and reported them. When I fight anyone in low or null they usually say "GF" or nothing at all. When I kill a carebear It's not uncommon for me to be subjected to a 30+ minute profanity stream.


    Things pvpers have publically threatened with:

  • Raping various members of my family.
  • Killing various members of my family.
  • Doing the above to me.
  • Doing the above to my pets.
  • Hacking various accounts, including, but not limited to, my bank, Eve, and e-mail accounts.
  • Getting their GM and/or dev friends to ban me for doing something they don't like.
  • Suicide.
  • Kicking my ass.
  • Paralyzing me.
  • Calling me various racial slurs and threatening to have me deported.
  • And many more.


    • Unless the ones you run into in high sec are pretty much the exact opposite of the ones i'm used to dealing with, that kind of people are incredibly uncommon. We're used to losing multiple ships an hour sometimes. No ****s tend to be given. Carebears on the other hand act like it's the end of the world and completely flip out on you.

    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #88 - 2013-03-03 21:17:58 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    Dave Stark wrote:
    warping to a gate isn't a reason. if i'm in a mining ship, i'm mining. so being able to warp to a gate is completely irrelevant. it also seems irrelevant to about 1/3 of high sec who appear to be using a retriever too. looking at the figures between just the mack and ret, there appears to be more ret users, than mack users in high sec for example.

    as for the rest of that, it again, has nothing to do with the balance of mining ships.


    it's not irrelevant to mining. I always mine systems with no station and have to make at least one jump to my refine station. you have to get out there these days.


    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.
    Skeln Thargensen
    Doomheim
    #89 - 2013-03-03 21:25:43 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.


    haha, good one.

    forums.  serious business.
    Dave Stark
    #90 - 2013-03-03 21:27:21 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.


    haha, good one.


    there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station.
    Solstice Project
    Sebiestor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #91 - 2013-03-03 21:31:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
    That white background is awful.
    It does not match with you.

    Hi Poetic. ^_^
    Jensaro Koraka
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #92 - 2013-03-03 21:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
    baltec1 wrote:
    MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

    On the subject of insults, I've seen these thrown out more from the elite PVP camp than from carebears themselves, you included. Carebears and miners are by far the largest targets for 'elitist' PVPers to sling insults and degrading comments against. Since I started playing it's non-stop. So again, I have to call you out on your post above.

    From my observation, reason and logic has never explained the level of hate, disdain, and contempt that you and some of the other very vocal anti-carebear players bring to this forum. But to be fair, this behavior isn't unique to Eve alone. However, for whatever reasons, you do tend to be more aggressive and vocal than what I've observed elsewhere.


    I spent 8 months giving out anti gank barge fittings and got nothing but insults back. Sorry but bears are by far the most likely to start throwing around the insults. But please, by all means go find where I have gone out and insulted people right off the bat.

    While you're at it, look up the amount of insults that get thrown at me because of my corp and alliance.

    Last two things I said in response to dying (paraphrased):

    (Attacked some dude at a FW plex)
    Me: Well this isn't going how I planned. :(
    Him: GF.
    Me: .....
    (No GF because it was more of a slaughter than a fight. I got kited.)

    (Ran into a gatecamp. Most don't use sensor boosters where I live so tried to warp instead of burning for the gate. Turns out they had sensor boosters after all.)
    "Crap, my new ship stack isn't here yet. Tell the fleet I'm not coming."

    PvPers are pretty chill about things compared to everyone else.

    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #93 - 2013-03-03 21:32:57 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.


    haha, good one.


    Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.
    Jensaro Koraka
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #94 - 2013-03-03 21:34:18 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.


    haha, good one.


    Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.

    Chribba, I am disappoint.

    "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
    Skeln Thargensen
    Doomheim
    #95 - 2013-03-03 21:40:40 UTC
    Dave Stark wrote:
    there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station.


    I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security.

    I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.

    forums.  serious business.
    Dave Stark
    #96 - 2013-03-03 21:42:41 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    Dave Stark wrote:
    there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station.


    I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security.

    I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.


    i haven't seen a ganker in months either, and i'm less than 10 jumps from jita, in the forge region.

    if we're having a **** waving competition my orca nearly has 200k cargo space.
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #97 - 2013-03-03 21:43:18 UTC
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    Dave Stark wrote:
    there are plenty of high sec systems with a station, and plenty of belts that you simply don't need to mine in a system without a station.


    I haven't seen a ganker in months and i'm often the only person in local. that;s pretty good security.

    I have an ore hold of 35Km3, I only need to jump every 40 minutes or so.


    Few people see a ganker these days.
    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #98 - 2013-03-03 21:44:32 UTC
    Jensaro Koraka wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    Skeln Thargensen wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:
    The belts in systems next door to Amarr are untouched. Theres no need to solo mine in a stationless system.


    haha, good one.


    Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.

    Chribba, I am disappoint.


    To be fair he only has 3 lasers on the veldnought and no bonuses.
    Takseen
    Federal Defense Union
    Gallente Federation
    #99 - 2013-03-03 21:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Takseen
    Before commenting on the article itself, I'd just like to point out that some Eve players use the term sandbox in a way quite unlike anyone else.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game
    Quote:
    An open world is a type of video game level design where a player can roam freely through a virtual world and is given considerable freedom in choosing how or when to approach objectives.[1]

    The term "free roam" is also used, as is "sandbox" and "free-roaming".[2][3] "Open world" and "free-roaming" suggest the absence of artificial barriers,[4] in contrast to the invisible walls and loading screens that are common in linear level designs. An "open world" game does not necessarily imply a sandbox. In a true "sandbox", the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play.


    Eve Online would still be a sandbox game if it was nothing but highsec. It'd still be a sandbox game if it didn't allow pvp combat at all. It'd certainly still be a sandbox if it was only a singleplayer game.

    But here "sandbox" seems to be short-hand for "I want to be able to interact with other players in ways they don't like". I suppose it'll do, for want of a better term. "Social sandbox" perhaps?
    Skeln Thargensen
    Doomheim
    #100 - 2013-03-03 21:45:20 UTC
    baltec1 wrote:
    Today at 10:00 EVE time they were untouched still with nobody in them. The only systems the get mined out constantly are the ones around Jita, even Amarr has rocks in it.


    well I was laughing more at the suggestion that i can mine safely next to a major trade hub.

    maybe if it's a system without a station in i though. 'cos gankers looking at the map are just going to discount those.

    forums.  serious business.