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Planned upgrade from SNI to Rattlesnake ...
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Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-03-01 03:41:56 UTC
Because of RL issues, I need a mission ship that allows me to get up without warning for 5 minutes or so knowing that the ship will still be there when I return. I received some excellent advise from these forums on picking ships and moved into my SNI. It's been perfect for me as a big improvement over my raven.

So my plan is to move into a rattlesnake next, but I'm wondering if it's worth it. By worth it, I'm talking about keeping the safe tank while significantly improving my DPS. I'm running my missions in Caldari space, so mostly Guristas.

Thanks in advance.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-03-01 06:45:22 UTC
you can get over 800 dps tank on that monster...

but I wouldnt leave and go afk for 5minutes if I were in a rattlesnake, way too nice a target to gank.

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Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#3 - 2013-03-01 12:04:46 UTC

Train sentry drones T2
fit MJD
Over tank it
just check if the mission have no spaw timer based
if you killed some npcs just scope in your drone and go afk , if not warp away, noone will gang this boat in hi-sec

Hula
Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-03-01 12:44:20 UTC
Thanks for the replies.

What I'm really wanting to know is whether or not I would see any significant increase in DPS. My SNI is plenty tank, but I'm hoping that with a rattlesnake I'll have the same "safe" ship while clearing missions much faster.

Thanks again for the help.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-03-01 14:05:59 UTC
The Rattlesnake can tank like an SNI (maybe slightly better due to superior native shielding), but you need an entirely different set of skills to deal damage effectively with it, plus Gallente Battleship to 4 or 5 to take advantage of its drone bonuses.

That said, at short range, you can get unholy levels of damage out of a set of Garde II sentry drones augmented by Drone Damage Amplifiers and skill bonuses. 700-plus DPS, and that's before you add in the missile launchers.

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Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#6 - 2013-03-01 14:12:52 UTC
Njaava wrote:
Thanks for the replies.

What I'm really wanting to know is whether or not I would see any significant increase in DPS. My SNI is plenty tank, but I'm hoping that with a rattlesnake I'll have the same "safe" ship while clearing missions much faster.

Thanks again for the help.


Basically solo Rattlesnakes have 3 kinds of setups
1) pure sentry sniper , use hi slots for drone link augmentors and RR and low only for DDA other of tank
2) fit Torp launchers ( most of Bs will orbit outside your range )
3) fit Cruise launcher to support sentry dps on big targets

2-3 is situational on how much pinped the missile dps will be
( rigor or hydraulic bay trusters , 0-1-2-3 ballistic controls, Tpainters, ecc ecc )

IMO a rattle is well worth the cost and is a pretty safe ship
Start with a strong passive tank , 2 set of sentry ( Garde + Bouncher/Curator based on enemies weaknes ) , a set of medium and rest all light ( t2 if necessary and t1 if you feeling to lose they anyway )
Combo it with 4 cruise launchers
If you dont like all you lose are 30-40 mils on t1 rigs


Hula
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#7 - 2013-03-01 14:30:07 UTC
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:

noone will gang this boat in hi-sec


The pirates I belonged to were quite successful at Hi-sec ganks, especially a nice faction fitted Rattlesnake.

It takes less than 30 secs, and if you're AFK you could go back to your screen and see that you're sitting in your pod.

Just don't.

-Kirst

Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Charlie Jacobson
#8 - 2013-03-01 16:29:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Charlie Jacobson
Ion Kirst wrote:
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:

noone will gang this boat in hi-sec


The pirates I belonged to were quite successful at Hi-sec ganks, especially a nice faction fitted Rattlesnake.

It takes less than 30 secs, and if you're AFK you could go back to your screen and see that you're sitting in your pod.

Just don't.

-Kirst


But they'd probably not consider a highly tanked full Tech2 fit worth a gank.

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Hulasikaly Wada
DO.IT
I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T
#9 - 2013-03-01 16:36:17 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
Hulasikaly Wada wrote:

noone will gang this boat in hi-sec


The pirates I belonged to were quite successful at Hi-sec ganks, especially a nice faction fitted Rattlesnake.

It takes less than 30 secs, and if you're AFK you could go back to your screen and see that you're sitting in your pod.

Just don't.

-Kirst


Can you do something if you where no afk in this scenario? i think no
To gank a pirate Bs is not worth if you are no fitting over 500 mils
And on all pirate/navy BSs , the Rattle is the the one with less pimp required and the toughtest to kill

Hula
Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-01 17:31:14 UTC
I'm so used to flying cheap ships that I never even considered someone ganking me. My AFKing is not the norm, but it will happen at least once a night.

This is the base for my planned fit ... http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62539-Rattlesnake-Efficient-L4-Mission-Boat.html

I've already got pretty good drone skills with sentry drone V in training right now, and my cruise missle skills are almost all at 5.

So, it looks like the rattlesnake is my next ship. Thanks again for all the excellent tips.
FapFap McLotionhand
Storm Hunters
#11 - 2013-03-02 17:24:31 UTC
I want a rattlesnake but everybody tells me my space potato is better

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CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#12 - 2013-03-03 18:41:22 UTC
FapFap McLotionhand wrote:
I want a rattlesnake but everybody tells me my space potato is better


Get one it's an awesome Battleship.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2013-03-04 00:14:12 UTC
Njaava wrote:
I'm so used to flying cheap ships that I never even considered someone ganking me. My AFKing is not the norm, but it will happen at least once a night.

This is the base for my planned fit ... http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62539-Rattlesnake-Efficient-L4-Mission-Boat.html

I've already got pretty good drone skills with sentry drone V in training right now, and my cruise missle skills are almost all at 5.

So, it looks like the rattlesnake is my next ship. Thanks again for all the excellent tips.


that is pretty much my fit, I just swapped a few things. Signal amp so you can lock at MJD ranges. MJD so you and your drones don't take much damage (although with 700+ drone damage and cruise missiles you don't even need that much). target painter for getting aggro since auto-targeting missiles won't always work for getting aggro.

looks to be about on par with the SNI, slight damage drop when using longer range drones, but hey if you have to go afk sometimes and you keep drones out they might finish the fight for you rather than coming back where you left with the SNI.

[Rattlesnake, Afk Missions MJD]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Signal Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Inferno Auto-Targeting Cruise Missile I

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet II x5

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Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#14 - 2013-03-04 10:18:51 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
The pirates I belonged to were quite successful at Hi-sec ganks, especially a nice faction fitted Rattlesnake.

... faction fitted Rattlesnakes? We have those in significant numbers?

The ship doesn't really demand pimping. It tanks just fine with T2. We don't have faction DDAs. The only real room for pimp are the Omnilinks (meh?), and the BCU(s) if you have them. CN launchers on the thing barely do anything extra. And this lack of pimping necessity is saddled on a high-EHP boat.

And people still pimp it enough to get ganked?

Quote:
I want a rattlesnake but everybody tells me my space potato is better


The space potato can deal more damage. The Rattler is easier.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-04 15:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Marc Callan
The Domi probably has the edge from a gank-is-tank perspective, because it's got a double damage bonus (hybrids alongside drones). Serious mission runners will often choose extra damage bonuses over defensive bonuses from an efficiency point of view (i.e. the faster you clear the field of hostile fire, the less tank you need, and the faster you clear the mission and can go on to the next one). That's why the Machariel often gets the nod over the Maelstrom, for example. In fact, most of the Tier-3 battleships get passed over as mission runners, largely due to their second bonus being defensive (the Apocalypse is preferred over the Abbadon, the Dominix over the Hyperion, the Raven over the Rokh, the ... well, the Maelstrom does seem to get more use as a mission runner than the Tempest or Typhoon).

(I apologize for mentioning the Machariel in a thread about another type of ship.)

(In my defense, I don't suggest the OP use a Machariel to the exclusion of all others.)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-03-04 17:35:09 UTC
fit 4 dda's, only 3 if you want ubertank
don't fit ballistic controls
cruise missile dps is anemic no matter what you do on this ship, not enough dps to kill anything without the drones, and you will waste plenty of volleys anyway on things the drones finish off.
rapid light missile launchers are a decent option
workable active tank if you spend a bit of isk
works as a drone sniper or as a more normal mid-range sentry setup. MJD is fun.
always bring a 6th of whatever your primary flight of drones will be
if you go afk for 5 minutes your ship will be there but your sentry drone may not, this may be the biggest sticking point. I don't have this fully figured out yet. So far it seems if you grab aggro first they won't switch to your sentries, but if they aggro your sentries first they will constantly switch among them. This doesn't seem to be a problem with missions where you get aggro on warp in. This is one reason to fit cruises, also a medium remote armor repairer and maybe a target painter if you like using those.
if you don't have gallente BS 5, sentry interfacing 5, and drone interfacing 5 you will be disappointed.
caldari BS 5 makes a big difference in the tank but isn't required.

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Kery Nysell
#17 - 2013-03-05 18:39:44 UTC
Everytime you AFK in a mission, Baby Jesus kills a kitten.

Think of the kittens !

...
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2013-03-05 23:43:33 UTC
Kery Nysell wrote:
Everytime you AFK in a mission, Baby Jesus kills a kitten.

Think of the kittens !

I've always been more of a dog person

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Mer88
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-03-06 02:05:24 UTC
i love rattlesnake but not afk mode, full active low tank max dps mode.
Njaava
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-03-06 06:18:16 UTC
Well, it's more semi-afk that I'm hoping for, so hopefully fewer kittens will die.

Part of what excites me about this ship is the versatility. I like the idea that I can add more gank on nights that I know I'm going to be able to play uninterrupted. I think I can do something similar with my SNI, but I haven't quite figured out a more gank fit (that is still relatively inexpensive).

Thanks again for all the replies.