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faction repair plan still "the way" ?
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Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-03-03 16:49:41 UTC
hi,

since i am doing missions to get isk anyways, i thought about working on "the plan" to increase faction standing as well.
the corp needs it in the long term and it is a nice serviceoffer one can earn extra isk with.

so here´s my question: is "the plan" still the fastest way to boost effective faction standings ?

is there any way to work in teams to increase the speed ?

is there any way to buy a service to easen grind ?

thx again
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-03 19:05:48 UTC
no one ?
too many questions ? not specific enough ??

thx anyways
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#3 - 2013-03-03 19:56:50 UTC
Yes the plan is still the best way to build standings, any service that is available will also help you generate corp standings as the Standings from each mission is split between you and the contractor, But faction standings come from storyline missions, cosmos agents, epic arcs and such.

So in groups standings are split so slower but somtimes more effective for low SP toons.

Services are available and I believe there are a few threads available pertaining to this. (just couldn't find one in the time available)

Hope that helps a little.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-03-03 20:47:17 UTC
hm then guess i have to grind it *sigh*

*and kicks himself for choosing the "wrong" npc corp and having already 9.8 standing with it....*


ah well. getting corp standing to get lvl 4 agents doesnt take that long actually.





Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#5 - 2013-03-03 21:32:21 UTC
If your grinding you might as well grind the for the corps identified in the begining of each of the LVL-4 faction epic arcs. as soon you get 5.0 with all of them accept the Epic arcs for each faction (the starting agent only checks your standings at the start and they give you plenty of time to complete before expiring) if your standings are low the 12.5% (Train Social to 5) bump you will get is considerable.

Caldari (Expert Distribution)
Amarr (Ministry of Internal Order)
Gallente (Impetus)
Minmatar (Brutor Tribe)
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReportsEpicArc

Check when you complete the arc to make sure the standings for that faction are applied, I have had to petition 3 times out of 12 complettions to get mine applied, so it's good to verify.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-03-03 22:47:10 UTC
Well, I must say I was surprised to see this thread title.

Goldiiee is correct. 'The Plan' is definitely still viable and still the fastest way to raise Faction Standings if looking to be positive with all Empire Factions.

However, I must say that Factional Warfare is probably the fastest way to gain positive Faction standings with one specific Empire Faction and it's ally. Of course you'll also be negative standing and shoot on site with the other Factions if you decide to go that route.


DMC


'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-03-04 00:08:04 UTC
His "Plan" covers everything in Eve that gives you standings. Even if you've never heard of it, if you're gaining standing, you're working it. You may as well ask "Is breathing the best way to stay alive," as if there's an alternative.Roll

For shorter grind to lvl4, choose a smaller sized corp. Standing goes up faster for smaller sizes. This applies to both corp and faction. Garoun Investment Bank would go up faster than Gallante Navy, Khanid faction would go up faster than Amar faction, etc.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-03-05 05:24:34 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
His "Plan" covers everything in Eve that gives you standings. Even if you've never heard of it, if you're gaining standing, you're working it. You may as well ask "Is breathing the best way to stay alive," as if there's an alternative.Roll

For shorter grind to lvl4, choose a smaller sized corp. Standing goes up faster for smaller sizes. This applies to both corp and faction. Garoun Investment Bank would go up faster than Gallante Navy, Khanid faction would go up faster than Amar faction, etc.

'The Plan' does more than just cover everything in Eve that gives you standings. It basically gives players a starting point with 'First Steps' and information on various options which players can customize to fit their specific situation.

By the way, there's different ways to breathe which definitely aren't good for you, such as hyper-ventilation, shallow breathing, etc. There's also different gases which can be inhaled that are lethal.

As for Khanid gaining Faction standing faster than Amarr, I disagree. Other than Storyline Agents, there's only a few Khanid Event Agents available for direct standing gain compared to the vast amount of Amarr Event Agents available in game.

Anyway, your sarcastic reply displaying indignation and contempt towards 'The Plan' is definitely inappropriate. Seems to me you have a personal problem with players using it to fix their own negative Faction standings. Get over it already.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-03-06 10:27:11 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
His "Plan" covers everything in Eve that gives you standings. Even if you've never heard of it, if you're gaining standing, you're working it. You may as well ask "Is breathing the best way to stay alive," as if there's an alternative.Roll

For shorter grind to lvl4, choose a smaller sized corp. Standing goes up faster for smaller sizes. This applies to both corp and faction. Garoun Investment Bank would go up faster than Gallante Navy, Khanid faction would go up faster than Amar faction, etc.

'The Plan' does more than just cover everything in Eve that gives you standings. It basically gives players a starting point with 'First Steps' and information on various options which players can customize to fit their specific situation.

By the way, there's different ways to breathe which definitely aren't good for you, such as hyper-ventilation, shallow breathing, etc. There's also different gases which can be inhaled that are lethal.

As for Khanid gaining Faction standing faster than Amarr, I disagree. Other than Storyline Agents, there's only a few Khanid Event Agents available for direct standing gain compared to the vast amount of Amarr Event Agents available in game.

Anyway, your sarcastic reply displaying indignation and contempt towards 'The Plan' is definitely inappropriate. Seems to me you have a personal problem with players using it to fix their own negative Faction standings. Get over it already.


DMC


thx and as stated preiously, it is not so much (not at all actually) to repair negative standings but to improve standings in such a way that one can setup towers all over the freakin place :-) (if one so desires)
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-03-07 00:25:12 UTC
Zap Zarrap wrote:

thx and as stated preiously, it is not so much (not at all actually) to repair negative standings but to improve standings in such a way that one can setup towers all over the freakin place :-) (if one so desires)

Well, actually yes.

If you work 'The Plan' and complete an equal number of Event Agents for each of the 4 main Empire Factions and complete the Epic Arcs a few times, you'll definitely have positive standings to anchor a POS anywhere in Empire space.

That goal will take some time to complete but it is achievable. Now if you just want to have various POS's anchored in different locations, there's player services that can quickly anchor the POS for you. Check the Sell Orders sub-forum.



DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-03-07 21:27:35 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zap Zarrap wrote:

thx and as stated preiously, it is not so much (not at all actually) to repair negative standings but to improve standings in such a way that one can setup towers all over the freakin place :-) (if one so desires)

Well, actually yes.

If you work 'The Plan' and complete an equal number of Event Agents for each of the 4 main Empire Factions and complete the Epic Arcs a few times, you'll definitely have positive standings to anchor a POS anywhere in Empire space.

That goal will take some time to complete but it is achievable. Now if you just want to have various POS's anchored in different locations, there's player services that can quickly anchor the POS for you. Check the Sell Orders sub-forum.



DMC



yeah .. and i sued those services in the past. worked very well, very eficient. but to haver those standings on my own provied much much more flexibility in the long run :-)
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#12 - 2013-03-07 22:52:15 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
His "Plan" covers everything in Eve that gives you standings. Even if you've never heard of it, if you're gaining standing, you're working it. You may as well ask "Is breathing the best way to stay alive," as if there's an alternative.Roll

For shorter grind to lvl4, choose a smaller sized corp. Standing goes up faster for smaller sizes. This applies to both corp and faction. Garoun Investment Bank would go up faster than Gallante Navy, Khanid faction would go up faster than Amar faction, etc.

'The Plan' does more than just cover everything in Eve that gives you standings. It basically gives players a starting point with 'First Steps' and information on various options which players can customize to fit their specific situation.

By the way, there's different ways to breathe which definitely aren't good for you, such as hyper-ventilation, shallow breathing, etc. There's also different gases which can be inhaled that are lethal.

As for Khanid gaining Faction standing faster than Amarr, I disagree. Other than Storyline Agents, there's only a few Khanid Event Agents available for direct standing gain compared to the vast amount of Amarr Event Agents available in game.

Anyway, your sarcastic reply displaying indignation and contempt towards 'The Plan' is definitely inappropriate. Seems to me you have a personal problem with players using it to fix their own negative Faction standings. Get over it already.


DMC


So DMC, the first step in the plan (the career agents, right), is mathematically the starting point for gaining the most standings the quickest? The plan doesn't change depending on whether you want short-term or long-term results?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-03-08 21:30:52 UTC
Inkarr Hashur wrote:


So DMC, the first step in the plan (the career agents, right), is mathematically the starting point for gaining the most standings the quickest? The plan doesn't change depending on whether you want short-term or long-term results?


Well, basically the Career Agents are easy to complete and give the player various items which can be sold in the market to help offset the price of Data Center tags, which is why I have the Career Agents listed first. Even though the standing gain from the Career Agents is small, it translates into a large gain for players with low or semi negative Faction standing. Not only that, they are available to everyone regardless of standings whereas the majority of Data Center Agents require positive standing.

Next I list the Circle Agents. They are like the Career Agents, easy to complete and available to everyone. The amount of standing gain is also small and when you have poor standings, it turns into a noticeable increase.

That being said, the easiest and quickest way to gain Faction standing is definitely with the Data Center Agents. Of course completing the majority of those agents is an expensive ISK investment which is why I have the Event Agents listed per level as the various steps to take.

The last Event Agent listed is of course Cosmos Agents. They take time to complete and depending on the mission objective, can also cost ISK to acquire.

As for not changing the steps in 'The Plan', that depends on each players situation. Most of the level 1 Event Agents can be easily accessed by players with bad standings. After completing those agents, players can easily access the higher level agents.

The main thing with 'The Plan' is that it can be easily and quickly changed to fit any specific situation. If you just want to maintain being above -5.00 standing to travel through Empire space, then you can just complete a few of the low level Event Agents whenever needed. If you want to get above -2.00 standing to access high level agents with the intention of having positive standings, then by all means complete the Career and Circle Agents first. Later on if you decide to complete them and already have medium to high positive standing, it'll seem like a waste of time due to the small standing amount they give.

Hope that answers your questions.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Inkarr Hashur
Skyline Federation
#14 - 2013-03-08 21:34:49 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Inkarr Hashur wrote:


So DMC, the first step in the plan (the career agents, right), is mathematically the starting point for gaining the most standings the quickest? The plan doesn't change depending on whether you want short-term or long-term results?


Well, basically the Career Agents are easy to complete and give the player various items which can be sold in the market to help offset the price of Data Center tags, which is why I have the Career Agents listed first. Even though the standing gain from the Career Agents is small, it translates into a large gain for players with low or semi negative Faction standing. Not only that, they are available to everyone regardless of standings whereas the majority of Data Center Agents require positive standing.

Next I list the Circle Agents. They are like the Career Agents, easy to complete and available to everyone. The amount of standing gain is also small and when you have poor standings, it turns into a noticeable increase.

That being said, the easiest and quickest way to gain Faction standing is definitely with the Data Center Agents. Of course completing the majority of those agents is an expensive ISK investment which is why I have the Event Agents listed per level as the various steps to take.

The last Event Agent listed is of course Cosmos Agents. They take time to complete and depending on the mission objective, can also cost ISK to acquire.

As for not changing the steps in 'The Plan', that depends on each players situation. Most of the level 1 Event Agents can be easily accessed by players with bad standings. After completing those agents, players can easily access the higher level agents.

The main thing with 'The Plan' is that it can be easily and quickly changed to fit any specific situation. If you just want to maintain being above -5.00 standing to travel through Empire space, then you can just complete a few of the low level Event Agents whenever needed. If you want to get above -2.00 standing to access high level agents with the intention of having positive standings, then by all means complete the Career and Circle Agents first. Later on if you decide to complete them and already have medium to high positive standing, it'll seem like a waste of time due to the small standing amount they give.

Hope that answers your questions.


DMC

Answers them perfectly, thanks very much.
Skurja Volpar
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#15 - 2013-03-09 09:19:39 UTC
A side note on the Lvl4 Epic Arcs, the faction gain you get at the end doesn't affect any other faction. So completing them will not cause your standing with an enemy faction to drop, perfect for those get really anal about this stuff.

Plus they're really profitable, with wave after wave of high bounty battleship in the harder ones, you'll doubling or tripling your standard high sec income easily when coupled with the storyline mod rewards at the end.
Kelleris
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#16 - 2013-03-11 17:58:05 UTC
Skurja Volpar wrote:
A side note on the Lvl4 Epic Arcs, the faction gain you get at the end doesn't affect any other faction. So completing them will not cause your standing with an enemy faction to drop, perfect for those get really anal about this stuff.

Plus they're really profitable, with wave after wave of high bounty battleship in the harder ones, you'll doubling or tripling your standard high sec income easily when coupled with the storyline mod rewards at the end.



Lvl 3 Pirate Faction Epic Arcs do affect your other faction standings, IIRC.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-03-11 19:00:36 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Completing any of the Epic Arcs will incur a few negative standing hits for ship kill - aggression. There are no derived standing modifications.

Personally I don't think there should be any negative hits incurred. The original Epic Arc Dev blog said there wouldn't be any side effects for completing these arcs.

Of course what is said and done is too different things.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Absolon Echerie
Roving Guns Inc.
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2013-03-19 12:20:46 UTC
If you plan to do COSMOS missions for a really good standing boost, just be aware of overfarmed plexes (so in some cases it is better to buy the items)

and be carefull when you get sent to low sec.. specially the Caldari Cosmos is kinda camped in Ihakana (only way into Otomainen, where the most lvl 4 missions are)
Zap Zarrap
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-03-19 12:28:55 UTC
its actualy kinda strange. my main finished the amarr epic arc last week. got the implant (which was nice) and corp gains for the missions, but no actual amarr standings boost.

nothing.
before: 6,22 (modified through skills)
after: 6,22 (modified through skills)


did i miss anything ?

also the best / fastest way is the tag agents (cosmos ?)
sure, expensive. but worth every penny as they save sooo much time...
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#20 - 2013-03-19 13:51:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodama Ikari
Zap Zarrap wrote:
since i am doing missions to get isk anyways, i thought about working on "the plan" to increase faction standing as well.
the corp needs it in the long term and it is a nice serviceoffer one can earn extra isk with.


Zap Zarrap wrote:

thx and as stated preiously, it is not so much (not at all actually) to repair negative standings but to improve standings in such a way that one can setup towers all over the freakin place :-) (if one so desires)


unless "the corp" is more than just you and your alts, or you and a friend or two, then getting faction standings so the corp can set up pos towers is somewhat of a sisyphean task, for a few reasons.

the corp's standing with an npc faction is averaged across all corp members, not just those who have run missions with that corporation. Therefore unless literally everyone and every alt has high faction standings, you will have to resort to kicking people out of corp for a week to get the corp's standing high enough. At the very best, with multiple people with high standings you can afford to keep one or two without standings in corp. For example, if the CEO has a faction standing of 1 (and cannot relinquish control of the corp), and you want to anchor a tower, you would need two characters with a standing of 8, with everyone else being booted from the corp just to anchor a tower in a 0.5 . For .6 or .7 systems, or more than 1 character without standings, the number of people that need to grind high faction standings gets a bit brutal/ridiculous. And btw, grinding a factions standing up to 8 (or even 5) is no small feat. My point being, unless you're a very small corp (and even if you are) there is no reasonable way to avoid having to temporarily boot most of the people in the corp to get a tower down.

Additionally, most of the benefits of npc standings toward a corp are on the level of npc corp -> player corp. I don't know all the benefits, but station services, taxes, refining, etc, are all based on the standings of the player corp in the eyes of the npc corp that owns the station. Furthermore, getting high corporation standings are a few orders of magnitude easier. Corp members without standings at all are not considered/penalized in the calculation. Corp standings go up much quicker, and they can be shared among the fleet.

Having high standings is a good thing, and having high faction standings is also good. If you get all of them high on your character, you can even start your own pos anchoring service. Just don't go into this grind with the notion that your corp will have an easier time anchoring towers at the end.

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