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Whitehound
#21 - 2013-03-03 09:38:32 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Complaining about people who don't interact with you is like complaining that there are neutrinos in your breakfast cereal.

Next thing you know he will be complaining about doors. How every house, every room, has got a door and how doors are terrible, because they disallow free movement and a world without doors would be much more open and interactive, and doors a so bad. If one could only shut down his blogs...

Again with the analogies that have no resemblance to what I said at all.

True, because I did not reply to you but to Sentient Blade. Roll

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-03-03 09:43:54 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Complaining about people who don't interact with you is like complaining that there are neutrinos in your breakfast cereal.

Next thing you know he will be complaining about doors. How every house, every room, has got a door and how doors are terrible, because they disallow free movement and a world without doors would be much more open and interactive, and doors a so bad. If one could only shut down his blogs...

Again with the analogies that have no resemblance to what I said at all.

True, because I did not reply to you but to Sentient Blade. Roll

Yes, and you were talking about me.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Whitehound
#23 - 2013-03-03 09:44:39 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
Complaining about people who don't interact with you is like complaining that there are neutrinos in your breakfast cereal.

Next thing you know he will be complaining about doors. How every house, every room, has got a door and how doors are terrible, because they disallow free movement and a world without doors would be much more open and interactive, and doors a so bad. If one could only shut down his blogs...

Again with the analogies that have no resemblance to what I said at all.

True, because I did not reply to you but to Sentient Blade. Roll

Yes, and you were talking about me.

Are you Poetic Stanziel?

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-03-03 09:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jensaro Koraka
Whitehound wrote:

Are you Poetic Stanziel?

The guy you quoted was talking to me, then you quoted him with "Next thing you know he'll blah blah blah.". Did I have a reason to think you weren't talking about me?

Edit: Wow, it's almost 4am! Where did all that time go? I'll check back here tomorrow to reply to the inevitable rage storm from the trammies for daring to get sand on them.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#25 - 2013-03-03 09:52:27 UTC
Not gonna lie. This thread has ZERO potential.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

Whitehound
#26 - 2013-03-03 09:56:52 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Whitehound wrote:

Are you Poetic Stanziel?

The guy you quoted was talking to me, then you quoted him with "Next thing you know he'll blah blah blah.". Did I have a reason to think you weren't talking about me?

The only reasons I could think of are vanity and low self-esteem. Do you have any of those?

In any case, you are not important. Even if I was talking about you was I not talking to you.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Jensaro Koraka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-03-03 09:57:21 UTC
Kane Alvo wrote:
Not gonna lie. This thread has ZERO potential.

For the third time, would you mind telling us why you think that's the case? I don't think you get how this whole 'talking to people' thing works. People can't discuss your opinion with you if they don't know what it is.

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." -H.L. Mencken
Josef Djugashvilis
#28 - 2013-03-03 10:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
I am one of Eve's 'Lurkers'

I have always accepted the limitations of playing solo.

However, I do interact with other players via the market, pvp, chatting in local etc.

When I leave a station, I can be, and have been ganked, this is how it is now and always should be.

I congratulate those who play in large corps and hold sovereignty etc, good for them, it is their choice to do so.

CCP provide the sand-box. I play to suit myself within the limits set by CCP.

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Kane Alvo
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-03-03 10:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kane Alvo
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
For the third time, would you mind telling us why you think that's the case? I don't think you get how this whole 'talking to people' thing works. People can't discuss your opinion with you if they don't know what it is.


Threads like this really serve no point, because the discussion is null and void before it even begins.

PvP guy says PvEers suck
PvE guy says PvPers suck
Carebear says everyone sucks

Null sec > Low sec
Low sec > Hi sec

Small gangs are awesome
If you're not blobbing, you're doing it wrong

Nerf paper, scissors are fine...signed, rock

Personally, I had difficulty reading the article. A spelling and grammar check would go a long way, or possibly a proofreader who is above 4th grade comprehension level. It was exhausting to read, because it mostly just talked in circles and didn't offer anything. No insightful opinions, no controversy, no taking a stand. In short, it was someone with a case of blogging diarrhea just filling up space on a page. Might as well just have said, "I like pie" and been done with it.

At least people can relate to pie.

Caldari Militia  ☜★☞ Psychotic Monk for CSM8

bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#30 - 2013-03-03 10:23:27 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Just saw this and figured I'd share for anyone who missed it. Pretty close to my own opinion about there being a difference between a PvE player and a carebear. The former is good for Eve, while the latter isn't.

http://evenews24.com/2013/03/01/poetic-discourse-solo-and-pve-play-are-not-sustainable/


Here's a different perspective on the issue.

Ultimately, the issue is not whether people like to play solo or not. People can play how they choose - sandbox, ya know? The issue is whether CCP are willing to amend the core structure of the game to suit solo play.


I'll guess I'll have to take both you're words for it as it seems like both sites are down.
http://evenews24.com down to an DNS failure
http://themittani.com down to maintenance

left disappointed
Josef Djugashvilis
#31 - 2013-03-03 10:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
With regard to the article by poetic, and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."

So, what exactly is all the fuss about?

Ignore them or gank them.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-03-03 10:55:06 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
With regard to the article by poetic...and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."

So, what exactly is all the fuss about?

Ignore them or gank them.


They whine on the forums to change the game. They are the ones who have broken the barge lineup and they are the ones who are whining about bumping. Anything that gets in the way of their game time is seen as bad and must be removed even if that thing is a cornerstone of EVE.
Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2013-03-03 11:02:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
With regard to the article by poetic...and I quote, "...a very small subset of the entire Eve population..."

So, what exactly is all the fuss about?

Ignore them or gank them.


They whine on the forums to change the game. They are the ones who have broken the barge lineup and they are the ones who are whining about bumping. Anything that gets in the way of their game time is seen as bad and must be removed even if that thing is a cornerstone of EVE.


If there are so few of them, and they can make CCP dance to their tune, they seem to me to be really, really good at Eve.

Perhaps the, 'make Eve harder - meaner - tougher', folk should ask them for advice on meta-gaming.Smile

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#34 - 2013-03-03 11:10:21 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


If there are so few of them, and they can make CCP dance to their tune, they seem to me to be really, really good at Eve.

Perhaps the, 'make Eve harder - meaner - tougher', folk should ask them for advice on meta-gaming.Smile


They post a lot. We have learned our lesson and now counter them in every post and hit them with real numbers that they cannot counter. They managed to get one change through and nothing else. A change that will be delt with when barges are balanced correctly.
Dave Stark
#35 - 2013-03-03 11:12:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
A change that will be delt with when barges are balanced correctly.


i dream of that day.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-03-03 11:14:49 UTC
Op I will tell all the people in empire to play your way, o wait they said ***** you
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-03-03 11:28:20 UTC
Jensaro Koraka wrote:
It also has unfortunate implications for life in low and null. One of the more striking things I noticed since being back is the complete absence of anyone but other PvPers in low.

exactly. because PVPers made anyone other left these places.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
I hear industry is quite dead in null too. I was also surprised to learn that most people have high sec alts.

exactly. because PVPers made running missions/mining/belt running in low/0.0 too danger so anyone smart evades these cursed places.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Belt piracy used to be a thing, you know. I'd like it to be again some day. I'd also like to be in a low sec corp with a manufacturing division again, if such a thing still existed. Even some of us rabid PvPers like to build something once in a while.

what prevents you from doing this? Organize industry in your corp. Organize mining ops and all this stuff.

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
There are missions in low and null. People could do them while the PvPers in their corp camp the gate or patrol, like we used to do in my mining corp. People would interact and help each other and it would be awesome. Or at least it would be if everyone wasn't making piles of ISK AFK in high.

missions in low/0.0 already give more LP and ISK than in empire. Everyone who accepts risk already run these missions. Others prefer lower rewards but higher security. What is wrong here?

Jensaro Koraka wrote:
Selling veldspar on the market isn't interacting with other people. It's interacting with the UI.

exactly. because this veldspar is sold into NPC buy order and wasn't used by other players to build stuff/resell/etc...

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Dyvim Slorm
Coven of the Morrigan
#38 - 2013-03-03 11:30:24 UTC
While someone is paying their sub they can play as they like as far as I'm concerned.

By the same token they are also entitled to whine on the forums about changing the game as well, everyone else does Smile
Dave Stark
#39 - 2013-03-03 11:32:37 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
exactly. because this veldspar is sold into NPC buy order and wasn't used by other players to build stuff/resell/etc...


doesn't matter what's done with the veldspar, but making a sell order isn't interacting with other players.
creating a buy/sell order is simply interacting with the ui regardless of who buys it.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-03-03 11:35:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


If there are so few of them, and they can make CCP dance to their tune, they seem to me to be really, really good at Eve.

Perhaps the, 'make Eve harder - meaner - tougher', folk should ask them for advice on meta-gaming.Smile


They post a lot. We have learned our lesson and now counter them in every post and hit them with real numbers that they cannot counter. They managed to get one change through and nothing else. A change that will be delt with when barges are balanced correctly.

I don't know when you started this whine campaign but goons and other whiners make like 99.99% of whine posts in forums since i first visited it.... What?

let's say for every 1 anti-suicide gank post i see 10 posts "nerf this, nerf that, nerf whatever bears have!"

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"