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Megathron a good choice for missions?

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Tenedon Dominiq
The Pounce
#1 - 2013-03-03 09:03:29 UTC
Hello, i am relatively new to EVE (have been play`n for 5 months total) and dedicate my self mostly to mining , recently i have started to do missions and had no problems with a drake to do lvl 3`s and i figured i go for lvl 4`s in a megathron since i love how the ship looks and wanted to try out Armor tanking / Guns but i think i was better off going for a scorpion or a raven.

I simply can no get the Megathron to work in lvl 4`s , the problems i`m having is i have to warp out a lot during missions to stay alive and my damage is not that great so all lvl 4`s take me 2h+ to complete. (and before you point it out yes i do use antimatter ammo when ships get close)

The explosive hardener is a mission specific and i change it for each mission according, my resistances are 75% across all types and gaining since i still got compensation skills to train ( they are at 3 atm)

This is my fit:
[Megathron, mission]
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Lead Charge L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I

( hobgoblins 2 / hammerheads 2)

So in conclusion is there any way to make my megathron do lvl 4`s or am i better off training for a Scorp / Raven, i am not that great on skills but as long as i can use t2 stuff i do not think i`m under skilled either and as far as armor goes (the thing that is giving me the most trouble ) there is no place left to go once i get compensations at 5 and is still not enough to make lvl 4`s work at a decent rate , 2h+ for a mission (any mission not just the hard ones ) is not my idea of fun.

Any suggestions and alterations to my fit will be considered and applied if they are any good.
Thanks in advance
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-03-03 09:15:52 UTC
With 5 months of training doing level 4 missions solo are going to be hard, and by the way that fit looks you need a lot of support skills.

Start with fitting a afterburner or micro jump drive.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2013-03-03 09:20:36 UTC
Dominix is the better mission runner imo. Its easy to get a dominix to both do 1000 dps AND get excellent appied dps.

The mistakes are you are making in general.

a - not having a mission specific tank. for serps, 2x kinetic, 2x thermic hardener IIs way more efficient than adaptive nanos, and you don't need a dcu
b - relying on 425s without a good web. 425s project far enough, that you don't need the adjustability of a tracking comp, you need the web which is more effective than a TC close to keep them useful below 15km. For 425s I'd really suggest you max motion prediction asap and get the 5% trackijng implant, and if you will buy any pimp pieces, its a navy web for sure.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-03-03 10:19:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsukino Stareine
I really wouldn't recommend it.

With low skills you'll probably find your megathron will do less damage than your drake because of large guns not applying their DPS well to small targets.

Also a megathron is almost impossible to keep cap stable with rails. One large repper will be barely enough to rep the damage in level 4s and you will need it to run constantly.

Overall it's just a bad idea. Try the hyperion if you really insist on rails or a rokh

Hyperion can fit 8 rails and be cap stable with a better tank. Rokh has longer range with a decent tank as well and is much easier to fit.
Tenedon Dominiq
The Pounce
#5 - 2013-03-03 15:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenedon Dominiq
So from what i understand so far my choice of ship was bad to start with?, i did have separate hardeners like sayd and i found adaptive to do the same work ( a bit better ) and not waste as much cpu.

The thing is i do not know where to go from here i mean i got haul upgrades to 5 and soon my compensation skills will be at 5 where do i go from there? what is left to add so i can make my ship tank decent.
My dps is crappy but not that bad i do manage to do lvl 4`s just not in a timely manner , for small ships i relay on drones and they do a decent job.

The Dominix suggestion is out since that will take me forever to train due to my relative lack of drone skills , i can fly 5x hobgoblin 2 and hammerheads 2 but that`s about as far as i got with drones

So you guys are sayn i should stop training to get the mega better and just jump the gun to a different ship all together ?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2013-03-03 15:31:39 UTC
Mega is fine. Repair systems V, cap skills, T2 guns, but first fix your fit.

- use a cap booster
- replace the trimark (buffer rig) and CCCs (****** rigs) with 2xaux nano pump (rep amount) and 1x nanobot accelerator (rep speed)
- use specific hardeners and reactive armor hardener (No. EANMs will not give you as much resists)
- replace the crap rechargers with tracking computers so you'll maybe hit something

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Tenedon Dominiq
The Pounce
#7 - 2013-03-03 16:23:14 UTC
Roime wrote:
Mega is fine. Repair systems V, cap skills, T2 guns, but first fix your fit.

- use a cap booster
- replace the trimark (buffer rig) and CCCs (****** rigs) with 2xaux nano pump (rep amount) and 1x nanobot accelerator (rep speed)
- use specific hardeners and reactive armor hardener (No. EANMs will not give you as much resists)
- replace the crap rechargers with tracking computers so you'll maybe hit something



I have Repair systems at 5 and cap skill maxed out, t2 guns are a long way away.


i tried replacing the rigs and the new ones you suggested are murther on the cap , i can switch over to specific hardeners i had them before (faction ones to), i can not replace all of my recharges with tracking since i do not have the cpu to fit more then 1 . i can use a cap booster with charges but the end result is not that impressive (at least not in efit statistics)
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-03-03 16:28:25 UTC
Tenedon Dominiq wrote:
Roime wrote:
Mega is fine. Repair systems V, cap skills, T2 guns, but first fix your fit.

- use a cap booster
- replace the trimark (buffer rig) and CCCs (****** rigs) with 2xaux nano pump (rep amount) and 1x nanobot accelerator (rep speed)
- use specific hardeners and reactive armor hardener (No. EANMs will not give you as much resists)
- replace the crap rechargers with tracking computers so you'll maybe hit something



I have Repair systems at 5 and cap skill maxed out, t2 guns are a long way away.


i tried replacing the rigs and the new ones you suggested are murther on the cap , i can switch over to specific hardeners i had them before (faction ones to), i can not replace all of my recharges with tracking since i do not have the cpu to fit more then 1 . i can use a cap booster with charges but the end result is not that impressive (at least not in efit statistics)


try putting in cap booster 800s.

Epsilon Bathana
EPS Kings
#9 - 2013-03-03 16:31:35 UTC
Going from a Drake (passive Shield, Missiles and Caldari BC) to a Megathron ( active armor, Hybrids, Gallente BS)? That are changes in a lot of disciplines. Of course your performance took a large hit.

You may consider making the change more gradually:

  • Ferox (Shield, med Hybrid, Caldari BC) -> Naga ( shield, large Hybrid, Caldari BC) -> Rokh (shield, large Hybrid, Caldari BS) -> Mega
  • Ferox (Shield, med Hybrid, Caldari BC) -> Naga ( shield, large Hybrid, Caldari BC) -> Talos (active shield, large Hybrid, Gallente BC) -> Talos (armor, large Hybrid, Gallente BC) -> Mega
  • Cyclone (Active shield, Missiles, Mim BC) -> Maelstrom (Active shield, Projectile, Mim BS) -> Machariel (Active shield, Projectile, Mim/Gallente BS) -> Machariel (Armor, Projectile, Mim/Gallente BS) -> Vindicator (if you like the Megathron looks)

Songbird
#10 - 2013-03-03 17:20:16 UTC
I don't know how good or bad your drone skills are, but yeah with the domi you might be more resilient while keeping up your applied DPS.

Haha - I actually use a navy domi with a shield tank, just went through angel extravaganza, without the bonus room , and it did great. Never had to use my xl ASB :)

I just killed everything that fast.

Before that I did the whole kronos with blasters, that's a lot of skills, I was trying the new armor repper - I quit halfway because spending 2 mil just to reload my ancillary armor repper doesn't make you any profits :).
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#11 - 2013-03-03 18:11:45 UTC
"Mega" + "Missions" is kind of a hard sell, add "Low SP" to the equation, and it's really getting headbang-worthy.


I'd try something like this:

[Megathron, Low SP Mission]

Large Armor Repairer II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
True Sansha Adaptive Nano Plating
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
100MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
[Empty High slot]

Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I





Fit may be tight due to skills, you tell me whether it can be squeezed on.
Switch out hardeners for mission specific ones, obviously. The nano plate is there due to CPU issues, it's not horribly expensive.
You could switch out a magstab for an extra hardener if you're not managing to kill things off fast enough.
Remember to turn off the AB when you're not travelling or being forced to maintain range.
Add drones to taste.


Aim for one of the better Mega versions in the future. The vanilla Mega is never going to be very efficient. =/
Tenedon Dominiq
The Pounce
#12 - 2013-03-03 22:05:04 UTC
i will need some training for the cap booster 2 and the AB2 but they fit ok with my current skills, i`l consider giving it a try it`s easier then to start from my drake skills to caldari BS (or so i think, did not run the evemoon yet to check). Thank you for the fit

Yeah my decision was very radical but i just loved the looks of the megathron and find guns to be a better "fit" for my play style then missiles , combined with my lack of experience in game it lead to this , and now much like in life i have to make it work or start over.

PS: i love my drake that thing never goes under 70% shield and never misses in lvl 3`s ,what the hell was i thinking going for armor and guns :))
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2013-03-03 23:07:07 UTC
All you have to do is ask in corp, or post on corp forums..... I have a pretty decent fit that works. even for new players. At work, so can't post it. Send me an ingame mail to remind me and I'll send it on, its similar to the one that Kasutra posted.
@ Tauranon - A domi is better, but a low SP toon is not going to have the skills to make it work
Kasutra
No Vacancies
No Vacancies.
#14 - 2013-03-03 23:49:23 UTC
Tenedon Dominiq wrote:
i will need some training for the cap booster 2 and the AB2 but they fit ok with my current skills, i`l consider giving it a try it`s easier then to start from my drake skills to caldari BS (or so i think, did not run the evemoon yet to check). Thank you for the fit

Yeah my decision was very radical but i just loved the looks of the megathron and find guns to be a better "fit" for my play style then missiles , combined with my lack of experience in game it lead to this , and now much like in life i have to make it work or start over.

PS: i love my drake that thing never goes under 70% shield and never misses in lvl 3`s ,what the hell was i thinking going for armor and guns :))

For what it's worth, the T2 booster and AB are hardly integral to the fit. Non-T2 should work fine as proof (or contradiction Lol) of concept for you.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-03-04 00:09:11 UTC
Kasutra wrote:
Tenedon Dominiq wrote:
i will need some training for the cap booster 2 and the AB2 but they fit ok with my current skills, i`l consider giving it a try it`s easier then to start from my drake skills to caldari BS (or so i think, did not run the evemoon yet to check). Thank you for the fit

Yeah my decision was very radical but i just loved the looks of the megathron and find guns to be a better "fit" for my play style then missiles , combined with my lack of experience in game it lead to this , and now much like in life i have to make it work or start over.

PS: i love my drake that thing never goes under 70% shield and never misses in lvl 3`s ,what the hell was i thinking going for armor and guns :))

For what it's worth, the T2 booster and AB are hardly integral to the fit. Non-T2 should work fine as proof (or contradiction Lol) of concept for you.


Use meta 4 booster and ab. They're better than t2.
Julien Brellier
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-03-04 11:40:01 UTC
[Megathron, PVE]

Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Auto Targeting System II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x8
Hobgoblin II x9

I've never had any troubles with this fit.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-03-04 12:15:48 UTC
apart from no prop mod. Decline every mission where you have to burn to gates?
Tenedon Dominiq
The Pounce
#18 - 2013-03-04 16:31:00 UTC
Julien Brellier wrote:
[Megathron, PVE]

Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II

425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
425mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Auto Targeting System II

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hammerhead II x8
Hobgoblin II x9

I've never had any troubles with this fit.



This looks very good, bit low on the defences but i guess 70% will have to do , i`l give it a try thanks
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#19 - 2013-03-04 17:08:46 UTC
mega is a bad mission runner. Very slow going with low skills, and not much of a reason to use one with high skills. Guns compete with tank for capacitor, fittings, and slots, and there isn't a decent mid-range option. I haven't worked up a fit in awhile, but I would consider using 350s with lower skills because they're slightly more mid-range with better tracking and are easier to fit. Having a 5s ammo swap is a bit of a help for railgun fits.

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Orlacc
#20 - 2013-03-04 17:20:20 UTC
Many folks think the highest efficiency boat is "best." Fly what you like. Just remember that L4s are about gank.

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