Warfare & Tactics

Surely you jest? How can the mass-flip atrocity ever be considered better than anything?

Personally wished they had gone with what the old guard plexers suggested when CCP said they wanted incentives, and thrown the LP into the use of occupied space rather than the taking of space .. unless one is employed by a corrupt PMC the actual war bit is rarely very lucrative.

Don't worry about the scrub, he sounds elitist and what not but has nothing to base it on.

PS: Still waiting for the grovelling apology Alu, by the way

Well, considering the amount of alt'ing that is present in that part of FW the most you can hope for is congratulations for cramming extra points on your ships and/or being able to surprise the alts
Whack-a-Mole can be fun but it is seeped in frustration .. like trying to play with a soaped up football. Spending time chasing them around would not be an issue if they experienced the same level of 'waste' as the hunter does when they choose to stab up, run or cloak (ie. auto-run timers).

Current system will work (to the intended extent) once links are axed, null is fixed (giving them something to do) and occupancy is tilted back towards pew. But since the first is having technical difficulties, the most we are likely going to get is the last two .. might be enough though, time will tell.

FW is not on the menu (other than tweaks) any more so this whole thing is a futile exercise. Blow your loads on the revision of null and making low-sec in general matter .. the interconnectedness will see to the rest.

Actually I don't know, after they run.

You guys keep saying that you don't care about occupancy in 90% of systems and only care if you can out blob someone in one system for over 24 hours or whatever. But I show you the stabbed plexxers even in what you call an important system and you pretend you didn't read it.

so let me get this straight you write post after post about hating farmers but prefered tier spikes when there was twice as many of them (great logic there)

also noone cared more about occupancy more then the farming hoardes kept the minnie/amarr zone crippled badly to the minmatar side. Yes the caldari / gallente warzone did move but ppl only cared wen it was bunker busting time after the farmers had pushed the system 1000`s% over vulnerable. It was awful ill admit i got rich as hell but it nearly killed fw (while taking advantage of this mechanic i was still vocal about it being the worse thing ccp had ever added too the game evn worse than the incursion cash cow) now we see signs of recovery participations and kills are up, theres also less farmers around the warzone too

You have never cared about occupancy. So please leave.

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Ayone who can think knows the cash out structure did not cause the rampant farming. The huge isk, lack of rollbacks, lack of notifications, and to a lesser extent the ability to speed tank rats that didn't need to be killed caused the farming.

The isk reduction is the main reason this system isn't farmed as much. But ccp still needs to have timers rollback and notifications if they want it to be a pvp venue.

yes it did because you had to capture a large majority of the systems in order to get a decent payout for your lp. Now people don't even care about 90% of the systems.



Just to be clear, I do not like that it is a pve system. I didnt' like it beign a pve system before we had lp for plexing. I don't care if the pvers are making allot of isk or no isk. I would like it to be a pvp system.




The other changes reduced the farmign somewhat. Like I said the isk per hour was greatly reduced. Reducing the amount of isk that you could make had a much larger impact on farming than anything else. If they would have nerfed the old cashout system a bit that would have had the same effect. Generally the isk is not there because the lp values were tanked.

They aslo drove off most of the farmers by requiring all the rats to be killed. They did this before they changed the rats so allot of people left after that. By the time they made the rats somethign that would allow pvp the lp per isk was so devalued it is hardly worth going back to farm.

The actual changes to the tier structure did nothing to reduce farming.



I want good fights. The more frrequent the better. Thats why I left fw and fight in plexes as a neutral. I get almost 2xs as many fights since I can fight both militias. If there were a notification system there might actually be a pvp reason to join faction war. But for now fw is pretty much just for the isk.

Adding an overall context such as the fw sov war would be very nice. But right now its just a joke - thats why no one cares about it.

Stripped the important bit out of your post.

Very happy for you, most often people just avoid HQ systems and run up occupancy in every other system, even adjacent ones if alt controllers are feeling gutsy .. on that note, how did occupancy look in general area? My guess is that they launched fighters to have some fun and to act as a distraction while they orbited elsewhere while HQ personnel was occupied.

No one (even Cearain ) disputes that HQ systems can be tremendous fun and they usually require everyone on deck to dent. Problem before the rabble is the majority of systems where there is no 23/7 coverage leaving low dps alt ships to farm the snot out of the system, depressing the markets for 'honest' folk, drawing in everyone and their dogs (read: null + others with no interst beyond ISK) and controlling access to stations.

Hello Cynthia nezmor, keep burning your alts we have like 10 of them now.

Also you are the epitome of a Plexing non pvp ****** (usually having warped off before I enter the plex) so your post is quite ironic.